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alien space marine
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_5


Looks like canada will be helping in Iraq after all.

I must say I commend are new prime ministry for using old fasion Pearson style canadian foreigh policy and not the preachy talk of his predecessor.Hopefully now he can give us a nice Tax break for middle class people.


When we choose not to get involved in Iraq it was because we feared for loss in human life and the risks and dangers that would follow.But most of us did agree that Saddam needed to be punnished in some fasion. We are glad now to help the people of iraq rebuild their country just as we are working hard in Afghanistan.

Darunia
That's not Canada helping the United States or Iraq; that's Canada being greedy and wanting a stake of the contracts that they don't deserve. That's like Italy declaring war on France after Paris surrendered and days before the complete capitulation, only so they could get a share of the spoils. It's shameful, and only a hair's breadth any better than Chretien.

alien space marine
That's not Canada helping the United States or Iraq; that's Canada being greedy and wanting a stake of the contracts that they don't deserve. That's like Italy declaring war on France after Paris surrendered and days before the complete capitulation, only so they could get a share of the spoils. It's shameful, and only a hair's breadth any better than Chretien.

We dont give a shit about spoils , We give are men and woman in Afghanistan and donate millions of are dollars to that country and we know they are not abled to pay us back.But we get the furfillment of being a good nation. Iraq was liberated not Conquered? !! If you treat Iraq like a bag of loot then it is pretty hypocritcle on your part giving such a statement.

Fittisize
That's not Canada helping the United States or Iraq; that's Canada being greedy and wanting a stake of the contracts that they don't deserve. That's like Italy declaring war on France after Paris surrendered and days before the complete capitulation, only so they could get a share of the spoils. It's shameful, and only a hair's breadth any better than Chretien.

Right, Canada isn't a bunch of greedy bastards who care only about the oil. It may surprise you, but there are whole governments who are willling to help out another country, and expect nothing in return!

A Black Falcon
Darunia is insane and I really don't have anything to say.

N-Man
Good relations between the U.S. and Canada are, of course, necessary. This is a good thing.

Martin said he was pleased by the new U.S. stance toward Canada, and the lucrative contracts that could come Canada's way.

Let's not be naive about the reasons; there's no doubt business contracts are an important factor. Yet I see no reason to make it sound like that's a bad thing: Canadian companies get contracts and therefore cash, Iraq gets rebuilt, and the Americans look and feel a bit less like the Lone Warrior. Good business is good news for everyone.

I would in fact, on the contrary, be pretty damn suspicious of a PM that sends us soaring into Iraq in exchange for nothing at all. Martin's scoring some points vs. Chrétien with me, I must say. If the new Conservative Party elects a social conservative as their leader I'll probably inch back towards the Liberals- otherwise the ball's still up in the air.

That's not Canada helping the United States or Iraq; that's Canada being greedy and wanting a stake of the contracts that they don't deserve. That's like Italy declaring war on France after Paris surrendered and days before the complete capitulation, only so they could get a share of the spoils. It's shameful, and only a hair's breadth any better than Chretien.

That's hard to evaluate, as you don't know whether Martin would've gone into Iraq had he been PM at the time. At this point, at any rate, I think it's a good thing for both Canada and the U.S.

Fittisize
I would in fact, on the contrary, be pretty damn suspicious of a PM that sends us soaring into Iraq in exchange for nothing at all.

Well, what is Canada getting for helping rebuild Iraq?

N-Man
Since it's just the entire point of the article :kiss:

MONTERREY, Mexico - President Bush (news - web sites), seeking to mend relations with America's northern neighbor, said Tuesday that Canada will be eligible for a second round of U.S.-financed reconstruction contracts in Iraq (news - web sites).

alien space marine
Since it's just the entire point of the article :kiss:

We may send troops to help the U.S out so look at it in that respect.

N-Man
That's another aspect of it. Haven't seen Martin's stance on the armed forces yet; hopefully he'll be a bit more keen than Chrétien on spending, and what we can and can't do. I'm not sure sending troops to Iraq would be a very wise decision.

alien space marine
That's another aspect of it. Haven't seen Martin's stance on the armed forces yet; hopefully he'll be a bit more keen than Chrétien on spending, and what we can and can't do. I'm not sure sending troops to Iraq would be a very wise decision.

But what Canada needs the most is a new Air Borne division , In the post 9/11 age we need a fast elite comando force to handel quick deployments, The old air borne which history goes back to WWII was a victim of both the conservative and liberal goverments idiotcy and careless management putting phychos and ingrades into a proud proven paratrooper force only for a event like Samolia to happen before they gave a shit.

1. Replace sea king choppers.

2. Build a new elite Paratrooper force.

3.Focus on Air force and Infantry

The Navy is used more as a policing force to get rid of smugglers and foreign looters who rape our shores of the endangerd cod fish.But honnestly are little bathtubs cant compare to the U.S navy so we should just stick with Frigates for police work.

N-Man
Bump.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3409181.stm

alien space marine
Since the cold war ended we kind of felt that who is left to threaten us so badly that we must keep and maintain a large military? The Military has become a peace keeping force and less as a defense force and more of a foreign aid service.But Canada's armed forces has a good deep history , We served with the common whealth forces in both world wars.

But hell without a military we lose are independance and we are at the mercy of are allies and without a army we cannot help any foriegn nation in times of need. If we had a nemesis like Nazi germany or Soviet Russia that threatend are freedom we probaily would not have allowed are army to stagnate.

What we need is to construct a realistic body of military which trained and equiped soley for peace keeping duty. Homeland sercurity is the task of the Militia and the Air force.

As for the navy what the hell is the point? Sure we do need some ships to crack down on ilegal smuggeling and other activities.But really who is gonna attack us by sea especially since we got the U.S and Britain and all of the common whealth to rush to are aid. Forget the Submarines who's gonna bite us ? A pack of angry whales I think honnestly we should only have Troop transports and Frigates and maybe one Carrier so we can send Aircraft bombing missions when we need too. Decommision the submarines and everything else that is of no use today so we can save cash for somthing else.

N-Man
Gearing the army towards more modern objectives is a given, seeing as how it'll probably need to be entirely restructured at this point. I'm just not sure whether ditching the job of protecting North America on the U.S. to go play sheriff in third-world hellholes is the way to go.

I do believe we need an efficient navy, if only to patrol our immense territorial waters; there've been issues about asserting Canadian dominance over the north-west passage, which is quite telling. I agree that the submarines are a waste of money and time, as they're outdated and useless anyway. Land army-wise, the way to go would probably be smaller-sized units that fit into both schemes (homeland defense and peacekeeping). That way, we can keep a strong presence both on the continent and on the international scene.

Fittisize
Something I think is kinda sad is that there are more subs at West Edmonton Mall than in the entire Canadian military.

Or at least, there were, times coulda changed.

Darunia
Moldy diarrhea > Liberals

Ethiopia > Canada


:banana:

Fittisize
Biggest loser ever, who's also probably real ugly and loves penis=Darunia

So what are ya gonna do now, declare war on me?

A Black Falcon
Oh he will, count on it.

Oh, and while I definitely think that the army shouldn't be our top expenditure and stuff and be as overfunded (with pork projects and stuff) as ours is, there is a minimum and Canada is probably below that. :)

Fittisize
But...our hockey program! (which is underfunded, too!)