View Thread : The "cool Episode III pics" thread


OB1
First up, the new clone trooper!

And no they don't always wear those visors.

A Black Falcon
Cool! Like a melding of Classic (the stormtrooper outfit looks more like a classic Trooper than ever...) and Prequel (that visor thing definitely looks 'Old Republic'...)... great look!

OB1
http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/anakin/10.jpg

New Jedi Starfighter! Starting to look very TIE-ish, eh?

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/fighter/starfighter.jpg


Ewan looks an awful lot like Sir Alec, eh?

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/obiwan/8.jpg http://www.oberpfalznetz.de/images/Artikel/2002/0507/13315_classicOBIWAN_LUKE_3PO.jpg

A Black Falcon
He did in the other two movies too, especially AotC... they did a great job of getting him to look and act just like the classic Obi-Wan, for sure.

And yes the Jedi Starfighter is starting to look like a TIE... just change the plane wings into vertical solar panels and it's almost there...

OB1
Yeah he always looked like Alec, but especially so in Ep 3 since his hair is the same.

And look at good 'ole Kit Fisto. Doesn't look happy as usual, huh? I heard he goes out like a punk:

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/kit/1.jpg

OB1
Wookies!


http://www.cloneweb.net/images/special/episode3/E3_0005_02.jpg


Shaved wookie :D :


http://www.cloneweb.net/images/special/episode3/E3_0004_02.jpg

OB1
I wonder who that is? Palps, I assume.

http://www.cloneweb.net/images/special/episode3/insider_dec03/9.jpg

OB1
New weapon to combat the lightsaber:

OB1
Guess whose lightsaber this is? ;)

OB1
He looks tired.

A Black Falcon
Lots of pics. From where?

Oh, and that image of what you think is Palpatine... looks like he's moving towards the look of Star Destroyers, for sure...

OB1
I think it might actually be Dooku.

In the beginning of the movie, Anakin and Obi-Wan are on a mission to "rescue" Palps from Dooku, who's holding him on a Trade Federation ship. Dooku fights Anakin and dies.

Those pics are from Hyperspace.

OB1
And did you figure out whose saber that is?

A Black Falcon
Why should I know?

And regardless of who it is on that bridge, it looks a lot like a Star Destroyer to me..

OB1
No it's a Trade Federation Cruiser.

OB1
And come on, try and guess whose saber that is!

A Black Falcon
I really do not care much...

OB1
The answer may surprise you.

A Black Falcon
I mean, how in the world would I identify anyone by their lightsaber? I have no idea!

Great Rumbler
Is it Padme's?

OB1
Haha. Someone who you haven't seen with a lightsaber but would make sense with one. Come onnnn.

A Black Falcon
Palpatine?

OB1
Bingo!

A Black Falcon
He was the only one I could think of... :)

Cool, Palpatine with a lightsaber? Given how he acts in the other five movies it'd take something big for him to actually use one... he prefers to be on the sidelines in any action...

OB1
Same case with Yoda before Ep 2 came out.

Palps will have plenty of reason to fight in Episode 3. And it just might be against a little green Jedi...

A Black Falcon
True there about Yoda... I wonder what would get Palpy to do that...

But I don't want to spoil the whole movie! I like being surprised when I see it in the theater!

OB1
I was just taking a guess. I do know that Yoda fights along side wookies, though.

Oops! :p

Dark Lord Neo
You know what would be a cool battle
Palpatine vs Yoda

Great Rumbler
Yeah that would be a cool battle.

Another cool one: Anakin vs Obi-Wan

...

Oh yeah...

A Black Falcon
There is a 12 minuite fight in the movie. :)

OB1
Well that's how long it is right now. Who knows who long it'll be in the final cut. The Dooku/Yoda/Anakin/Obi-Wan fight in Ep 2 was heavily cut. Hopefully they'll leave most of The Duel alone.

Yoda might fight Palps as he's the only one that'd be a real challenge for him.

A Black Falcon
It's a extremely important fight for the series... I think the only other one as important is the final duel with Vader, Luke, and Palpatine... so it should be long.

And yes, I agree that Yoda's probably the only one capable of challenging Palpatine, but even he won't win...

OB1
We shall see.

OB1
Two more Episode 3 pictures! This Anakin one is awesome...

http://tcforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=617

A Black Falcon
What is that ship or something?

Dark Jaguar
That visor (yes, JUST the visor, not the rest of the trooper) looks like an idiot.

A Black Falcon
How can a visor be an idiot? It's not alive... :D

Dark Jaguar
THAT'S why it's funny the way I said it!

Great Rumbler
The visor does like kind of weird...

A Black Falcon
It looks like Rebel stuff from the Classic Trilogy...

OB1
More awesome pics!

Happy now? No more visor:

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-1.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-2.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-3.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-4.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-5.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-6.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-7.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-8.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-10.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-11.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-12.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/episode3/images/I74-13.jpg

A Black Falcon
Even more Stormtrooper-ish Clone Troopers, Imperial Guards, 70s-ish buttons and lights in the ships... awesome!

And I thought the visor was fine.

OB1
The visor is great, very 70's-ish.

A Black Falcon
Yeah. So? That isn't bad... it's supposed to be continuous with the original trilogy tech-wise...

OB1
:erm:

Re-read that post, Brian. What's the fourth word there?

A Black Falcon
Oh. Other people complained though...

OB1
Other people are stupid. :D

A Black Falcon
Well ... true ... :D

OB1
No offence to those stupid people. :D

OB1
HUGE spoiler!

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/burned.jpg

Great Rumbler
He looks different somehow...

OB1
:D

Well it's not actually Hayden. I think it's just the doll they use for practice makeup.

alien space marine
Who is the red Daemon guy?

yahoo! Storm troopers are back! :far-out: :banana:

OB1
He's a senator.

OB1
EP3: Jackson on CBS Morning Show
Sun, Feb 29, 04 12:31:21 AM EST

Loyd sends us this brief clip about Episode III after catching actor Samuel L. Jackson on CBS Morning Show:

Samuel L. Jackson was on CBS this morning promoting his new movie and was asked about Episode III. He said that all he can say is the "it's the darkest, the bloodiest, and the most adult of the Star Wars movies".

UPDATE
Just found this on the Early Show website:

When he is not golfing, he is very busy working. Soon he says he will have to go to London for the finishing touches on the latest installment of “Star Wars.”

He says, “Episode three is sort of in the can. We shot it last summer. And I got a call last week saying, they need me for, like, three more days.”

About that film, he says, “It’s the darkest of all the ‘Star Wars’ that have been done. I think it’s going to be the bloodiest of all the ‘Star Wars’ that’s been done. It’s the most adult of all the ‘Star Wars’ that have been done. And hopefully it will tie up a lot of the loose ends that everybody has always had real questions about.”

alien space marine
Whats the name of the movie going too be? Rise of the empire? Return of the Sith? Anakins sexual fetish .

OB1
Star Wars Episode III: Alien Space Marine is the weirdest person in the universe

Darunia
I hope it won't be so dark that it alienates itself from the series. Episodes I & II were too colorful, child-oriented and computer-generated to be taken seriously (says I).

OB1
And I says that you're stupid, but since you have a Mooninites avatar I will forgive you this time. :p TPM is light-hearted, as it's supposed to be, but AotC definitely has some darkness to it. It perfectly sets up for the tragedy of Episode III. Episode III is going to be dark, very dark. It's the fall of the Jedi, the fall of Anakin, and the birth of Vader and the Empire. Lucas said that it's going to be so dark that he won't be surprised if it only brings in half the audience of the last movie. After Episode III, "A New Hope" will have a totally new meaning. :)

Dark Jaguar
It had that meaning after Ep 1, when everyone realized Darth Vader was the first hope. It won't be any more of a shocker here. Also, it's no secret WHY it'll be so dark.

Finally, CN needs to stop with the 5 min episodes. I can't watch that, it's more like a commercial than a show! There's a reason the first time around didn't really grab the ratings, everyone kept blinking and missing the whole thing :D. Really, it was on once a week and at that, no one could find it in TV guides because they don't shrink entries down to 5 minute sub-shows, and on top of THAT, a lot of people have a habit of flipping on the TV 5 or so minutes late for whatever show they wanted to watch anyway because the time snuck up on them. Maybe it would have had a lot more success if they crammed all the sub episodes into some movie length show. Oh YEAH that would have had a lot more ratings, because it would actually BE a new Star Wars movie. I mean, the whole thing is mostly one continuous story as it is.

OB1
It had that meaning after Ep 1, when everyone realized Darth Vader was the first hope.
:erm: What on earth are you talking about?
It won't be any more of a shocker here. Also, it's no secret WHY it'll be so dark.
Actually it is. You know how it all ends up, but not why or how it happens.
Finally, CN needs to stop with the 5 min episodes. I can't watch that, it's more like a commercial than a show! There's a reason the first time around didn't really grab the ratings, everyone kept blinking and missing the whole thing . Really, it was on once a week and at that, no one could find it in TV guides because they don't shrink entries down to 5 minute sub-shows, and on top of THAT, a lot of people have a habit of flipping on the TV 5 or so minutes late for whatever show they wanted to watch anyway because the time snuck up on them. Maybe it would have had a lot more success if they crammed all the sub episodes into some movie length show. Oh YEAH that would have had a lot more ratings, because it would actually BE a new Star Wars movie. I mean, the whole thing is mostly one continuous story as it is.
They're short because it's basically a test for Lucasfilm. I too wish they were longer, but don't worry, a regular-sized animated series will come out within the next few years.

Dark Jaguar
YEARS?!

I mean Ep 1 was when everyone figured out Anakin was the first hope, who is Darth Vader.

OB1
He does bring balance to the force eventually, but the title A New Hope refers to Luke. And after Episode III is released, that title will have greater meaning to it. Right now we just kind of figure that "bad things happen" and that's it.

And yeah, probably years. Maybe 2005, I don't know. It takes a while to make a new animated series, you know.

Great Rumbler
After they show all the 5 minute episodes they show them all again back to back. Or you could just buy them on DVD when they came out.

Dark Jaguar
Well of course it refers to Luke. Look you said "and after Ep 3 "a new hope" will have a totally new meaning", and that could only be interpretted as people finally understanding why it's a NEW hope and not just the first hope, and Anakin would be that first one. Thus, I was pointing out that we pretty much figured out Anakin is the first hope from Ep 1.

To GR: No. They didn't play them back to back, and aren't doing it now either with the new ones, like they SHOULD. They want them to be a success, they need to make it an actual show and not a commercial.

OB1
Well of course it refers to Luke. Look you said "and after Ep 3 "a new hope" will have a totally new meaning", and that could only be interpretted as people finally understanding why it's a NEW hope and not just the first hope, and Anakin would be that first one. Thus, I was pointing out that we pretty much figured out Anakin is the first hope from Ep 1.


Anakin is the one who will be bring balance to the force, not really "the first hope", although I suppose you could look at it that way.

To GR: No. They didn't play them back to back, and aren't doing it now either with the new ones, like they SHOULD. They want them to be a success, they need to make it an actual show and not a commercial.


They did show all of season 1 back to back in December. And like I said, the reason why they're so short is because this entire thing is just a test for future projects! Lucasfilm wanted to see how well a SW cartoon would be received. Genndy Tartakovsky mentioned that he'd love to do a full length Han Solo/Chewie series in the future, and I do know that there is at least one SW series being planned right now.

Dark Jaguar
And that's why it should have been full length! They wanted to see how well a show would have done, but this test is completely flawed. They can't know how well a show that people might actually be able to catch would do based on how well 5 minute interstills that aren't even listed in TV Guide do.

Great Rumbler
No. They didn't play them back to back

Yes they did.

OB1
And that's why it should have been full length! They wanted to see how well a show would have done, but this test is completely flawed. They can't know how well a show that people might actually be able to catch would do based on how well 5 minute interstills that aren't even listed in TV Guide do.

I'm not sure where you get your information from DJ, but the show has been a great success and because of it Lucasfilm is planning a full series.

Dark Jaguar
I'm just surprised you can possibly defend the whole idea of 5 minute shows. That's just EVIL and you know it!

So they did play them back to back eh? How many times? I managed to totally miss it, AND any commercials for it, at any rate. Was it on Christmas day or something? That's like the worst ratings day there is, what with almost no one watching TV at all in favor of doing Christmas things.

OB1
They did the back to back thing several times, and not during Christmas. I rarely watch CN (except for Adult Swim) and I saw the ads for it.

Of course I hate that they're so short, but it's either this or nothing. Again, this was just a TEST! Much bigger things will come! Have patience!

A Black Falcon
Han/Chewie series? Like that classic Han Solo Trilogy? I loved those books...

OB1
That's what Tartakovsky said he'd love to do.

I think the perfect thing to do would be to make a full-length Han Solo/Chewie animated series sometime after Episode III comes out, which would bridge the gap between Episodes III and IV quite nicely, especially since most movie-goers will probably wonder what happened to Chewie in between III and IV. As you probably know, Lucas has made the story of how Han and Chewie met off limits in the EU, probably so that he could save it for something like this.

A Black Falcon
Of course remember there are already six Han Solo books (and some number of comics I have no idea how many) set between eps 3 and 4 -- the old Han Solo Trilogy about his exploits in the Corporate Sector, and the newer (ie post-Zahn) Han Solo trilogy that covers a lot of his backstory... that goes over most of it. I'm sure they could fit something in but they'd need to work around the story as it was set in those 6 books (or at least the 3 newer ones, if they don't use that time period he was in the CorSec) if they don't want to really annoy me... :D

Oh and how Han and Chewie met wasn't in the EU? Huh? I thought it was in the (newer) Han Solo trilogy... I might remember wrong but I thought there was something about how Han was in the Imperial Navy, and was sent to a place with some Wookie slave laborers, and got mad at the other Imperials abusing the Wookies and freed Chewie as one of them and that incurred the life debt and got Han kicked out of the Fleet... or is that a bit wrong?

OB1
No, Lucas has made the story of Han and Chewie's first encounter off limits for now. Just like no one can do a story of Palp's past yet.

OB1
More pics!

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/clones/2.jpg


New Ep 3 baddie General Greivous. He'll be in the last few eps of the cartoon.

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/grievous/5.jpg http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/grievous/3.jpg
http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/grievous/2.jpg


http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/12.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/11.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/10.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/9.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/8.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/6.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/misc/5.jpg

Dark Jaguar
That guy with the skull mask looks a lot like the guy in Xenogears who wants to kill god.

OB1
Post a pic!

Darunia
The sets look very nice. It all looks very nice--I just consistently object to how the ships, characters and everything in Episodes I-III looks so much more advanced than IV-VI. It was inevitable since they went from models to computer. I think they should've STILL used models for close-ups and some shots. And actors in lieu of too many clone troopers for the close-ups and dialogues. But what do I know---I'm just a humbler Emperor of the divine race.


---Barry

A Black Falcon
But Ep3 clearly has style connections to the old ones and has lots of 70s-looking stuff in it... okay it looks more advanced but you cannot get around that. It will.

Oh and OB1 then what was I reading? It seemed to me like a story about Han's early life... :)

OB1
Darunia: They did use models in Episode III. LOTS of them. You just can't tell them apart from the incredible CGI, so you think it's all CGI. And the reason why things look dirtier and crappier in the OT is not because they're using CG in the prequels, the look is very intentional (and it's easy to make things old and rusty in CG, believe it or not!). Before the OT, the Republic was prosperous and (kinda) peaceful, and the economy was great. Then everything started to go wrong, and the Emperor took over the galaxy. Now people are oppressed and poor and can't afford shiny new Naboo cruisers.

ABF: I'm not sure what you read.

A Black Falcon
I don't remember exactly what the book covers, but I know it goes through Han's life from the beginning...

OB1
Not his first meeting with Chewie.

A Black Falcon
I'll check. But not now. By next week I will have. :)

Dark Jaguar
Darunia's eyes aren't exactly the sharpest in the world, well it's the brain that does the part of difference telling rather than the eyes... so... The CGI is great but it's not yet at the level of being indistinguishable from real life.

Anyway, here's a picture of the Xenogears skull helmet guy. Red rather than grey, and there's some differences, but the similarities are clear. Behold, Grauf!

OB1
Eh, that looks nothing like Grevious. Do you have a clearer pic?

And yes CGI isn't 100% photorealistic just yet, but you cannot tell the difference between miniatures and CG buildings in AotC.

Dark Jaguar
Eh, no nothing clearer. It's basically got the exact same "skull face inside of a gigantic neck" thing.

OB1
Uh, Grevious doesn't have a gigantic neck, and he's a cyborg who is basically some rotten flesh and brains inside of a droid head. Here are some better pics:

http://www.supershadows.com/starwars/pictures/1/general_grievous_clone_wars.jpg

http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/grievous/4.jpg

Great Rumbler
Those pics don't work.

OB1
Go to grilled-sarlacc.com

Darunia
Darunia's eyes aren't exactly the sharpest in the world,


True, for a Goron, my eyes are poor; but the poorest Goron eyes are 6x better than the best human eyes. I don't care how über-real the computer is, the colorful scenery and characters (expecially in Episode II) were not realistic. Tatooine was very, very real in Episode IV--grittily life-like, in as much as that I could believe that this was a real place. Granted that some planets cannot be recreated without computers (i.e. the watery-stormy world where the clones were created)...but Geonosis was just blah. And the Geonosians were lamely unrealistic. I KNOW they're the best technology, but it's no replacement for synthetic puppetry for realism (if not for realistic motion). I also think that the puppet Yoda was better-looking than the CG-Yoda.

Dark Jaguar
Oh come now, you gorons can't take a little volcano ash in the eyes without bawling for processed eye of frog. Don't talk to me about vision you pupil-less jackass!

Wow, those pics show a much different head OB1. No "neck hood" there. Point taken.

Um, rotting flesh? Wouldn't that kill him in a horrific fasion? If I had flesh in my cyborg body, I'd want it all fully healthy!

OB1
Darunia, a lot of Geonosis was models just like the stuff in the OT. You're just anti-CG because that's the popular thing to be right now. "Rubber muppets are SO much more realistic than terrific CGI!!".

Dark Jaguar
I wasn't aware CG was popular to hate right now, at all. I mean, everyone I talk to likes them more than puppets. I suppose hating CG might happen under the whole "keep it real dog" mindset everyone has, but thanks to Lord of the Rings, people actually feel like using their imaginations again.

Are you sure the CG hatred thing preferring puppets isn't just some weird Star Wars fan trend?

A Black Falcon
For example the great stadium on Geonosis was a model... of course like everything in the PT it was computer-enhanced, but it was based on a model. As OB1 said the movies are a mix of model and CG... and when it's done well you really can't tell the difference. In some places you can, and a lot of the time you can tell when something isn't real... but still it's as good as it possibly could be and in plenty of places (especially in backgrounds and stuff) looks real enough to not matter. Clone Troopers and stuff are obvious, but buildings and sets? Can you tell which parts are CG, which parts are miniatures, and which parts full size set?

Great Rumbler
I think Darunia's hatred of CG stems from nostalgia more than anything else.

Darunia
Darunia, a lot of Geonosis was models just like the stuff in the OT. You're just anti-CG because that's the popular thing to be right now. "Rubber muppets are SO much more realistic than terrific CGI!!"-----Are you saying that being anti-CG is popular, or CG-is actually popular in itself? Either way, I'm oblivious to popular fads; I attack the CG because it makes Episode II more akin to a really sophisticated video game than a movie. Compare a still from Episode IV with real guys in stormtrooper armor to a still close-up from Episode II with a clone trooper. Close, but no stogie.


I think Darunia's hatred of CG stems from nostalgia more than anything else.

Most likely.

As OB1 said the movies are a mix of model and CG... and when it's done well you really can't tell the difference.-----That's vehemently wrong, OB1's part that is. You could almost always tells a CG clone trooper from a real-life guy---for massive battles, obviously thousands of CG troops are best, but for close-ups, just use an actor!

Clone Troopers and stuff are obvious, but buildings and sets? Can you tell which parts are CG, which parts are miniatures, and which parts full size set and when it's done well you really can't tell the difference.-------My argument is about the unconvincing CG characters, not so much the background.

A Black Falcon
Not the backgrounds? But you object to CG! CG is heavily used in the backgrounds. The backgrounds are in most places a mix of model, CG, and live action sets... and in many places you truly cannot tell. You can tell it isn't quite real, in many cases, but is it a set or CG? You can't tell that. Well not until something that a model couldn't do happens... :)

And you are right, CG characters do not look real, and can be told apart from real people for the most part (I bet you missed the couple places where Obi-Wan was CG in AotC!). But... CG Yoda vs puppet Yoda? I'd take the CG. Much cooler and more versatile and it can do so much the puppet cannot. Clone troopers? For mass numbers like was common obviously the CG is necessary. For a couple you could use actors I guess but why? The CG ones look pretty good...

Great Rumbler
I think I'll go watch Episode 2 and see how the clone troopers look.

OB1
DJ: Most people who are into movies despise CG and use terms like "it looks like a video game" like Darunia just said. Seriously, they would rather see fake muppets and rubber suits than realistic CG.

That's vehemently wrong, OB1's part that is. You could almost always tells a CG clone trooper from a real-life guy---for massive battles, obviously thousands of CG troops are best, but for close-ups, just use an actor!

Actually in some shots certain body parts (I won't say which just yet) were real. Try and guess which shots they were and of which body parts. You won't be able to tell. You know why? Because the Clone Trooper models are perfect. You only say they look fake because I told you they were.

I bet you also would have liked it if Yoda was a muppet in AotC, right? That would have been a great fight scene, having a muppet thrown around!

Fittisize
I think Darunia's hatred of CG stems from nostalgia more than anything else.

Most likely.


But like, you're too young to be nostalgic towards Star Wars...

A Black Falcon
Not if he was young when he first saw them and it was before Ep1...

Great Rumbler
But like, you're too young to be nostalgic towards Star Wars...


Not true! I'm very nostalgic about the OT, but that doesn't mean I can't like the prequels and think that the CG works for the movies.

Btw, I watched the parts with the clones troopers and I honestly can't that they are CG.

A Black Falcon
You mean can't tell? :) And yeah they do look very convincing...

Great Rumbler
There is a certain something about them but if I didn't already know that they were CG I'd probably think that they were actors.

A Black Falcon
I probably agree. I do think that they don't quite look real (too shiny or something?), but yeah... if I didn't know better I might be able to convince myself that they were real... most of the time anyway.

OB1
Actually they're less shiny than the stormtroopers in the OT, although that's mainly because you just see them fight in a dirty, sandy world. Their material is different from the OT stormtroopers in that they look like they could take more of a beating. The OT troopers were made from very cheap plastic.

Cheap plastic:
http://www.episode-x.com/galleries/EpisodeV/Use/Use/Stormtroopers.jpg

More expensive-looking "plastic":
http://www.azeem2000.com/clonetrooper/images/Clone_Jedi_gunship2.jpg

A Black Falcon
They do look very good... as I said almost convincing. Certainly as good as you can get now.

Yoda's clothing is pretty impressive as well...

OB1
Let me ask you this: Is any part of that clonetrooper real, and if so then which part? Think about it.

Great Rumbler
I think I'll refrain from attempting to answer that question on the grounds that doing so would probably only end up in me looking stupid.

OB1
No it won't! You really can't tell.

Great Rumbler
I fixed my post. :D

OB1
You just changed your manner of speaking to something more fancy!

Great Rumbler
Actually it's the same except I changed "ask" to "answer" which is what it was supposed to be. :)

OB1
....

It looked different to me...

Great Rumbler
Nope, it's the same except for that one change. :D

OB1
Huh...

Great Rumbler
Silly, OB1! Drugs are for losers!

A Black Falcon
I don't know... so I won't guess. Most of the pic is obviously CG but other than the two actors I don't know what part of the clonetroopers is real...

Darunia
Seriously, they would rather see fake muppets and rubber suits than realistic CG.

Oh there's no bias in that. Muppets are fake, but CG is real. CG is more flexible and you can do more with it, but puppets ARE more lifelike at this point in time. 1979 Yoda wasn't great, but who out there (besides Force zealots like OB1 who swear allegiance to der führer Lucas) can't easily point out how fake the CG Yoda is. He LOOKS like a CG character. His mouth isn't terrible well in sync with his voice.

You know why? Because the Clone Trooper models are perfect.

Perfect, huh. So 50 years from now, CG will not have evolved at all, and your beloved clone troopers will so be "PERFECT". Or perhaps they're just really good for today, and NOT perfect.

You only say they look fake because I told you they were.

Oh jeeze, don't give yourself so much credit. I say they look fake because they DO looke fake. Everyone here in reality agrees with me (i.e. Massachusetts). All my friends and family say that same.

I bet you also would have liked it if Yoda was a muppet in AotC, right? That would have been a great fight scene, having a muppet thrown around!
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OB1
I don't know... so I won't guess. Most of the pic is obviously CG but other than the two actors I don't know what part of the clonetroopers is real...

HA! I thought you'd say that.

Oh there's no bias in that. Muppets are fake, but CG is real. CG is more flexible and you can do more with it, but puppets ARE more lifelike at this point in time. 1979 Yoda wasn't great, but who out there (besides Force zealots like OB1 who swear allegiance to der führer Lucas) can't easily point out how fake the CG Yoda is. He LOOKS like a CG character. His mouth isn't terrible well in sync with his voice.

Now you're just making false criticisms because your "muppets are teh more real then CGI!!11!" stance is so painfully stupid. His voice is perfectly in sync with his voice, as Frank Oz timed it the same exact way as he's always done. They even gave the model some of the flaws of the muppet in order to make it seem as similar to the original as it could be without looking as fake. Notice how his ears wobble like the original puppet's, and his mouth movements move like a puppet's. Pfft, you're pointing out intentional flaws to make it more like the flawed puppet!

Perfect, huh. So 50 years from now, CG will not have evolved at all, and your beloved clone troopers will so be "PERFECT". Or perhaps they're just really good for today, and NOT perfect.

They are indistinguishable from the real ones, so they are perfect.

Oh jeeze, don't give yourself so much credit. I say they look fake because they DO looke fake. Everyone here in reality agrees with me (i.e. Massachusetts). All my friends and family say that same.


Well since they look so fake, please tell me which parts of that clone tropper pic I posted are fake.

A Black Falcon
Yes, the CG Yoda is far more "real" looking than the puppet. Well okay the CG one does thave that "CG" quality to him, but he makes up for it with flexibility... the puppet didn't exactly seem all that real either you know... and yes they copied his puppet movements pretty well in the CG character.

And OB1 I may not be able to tell which parts of that clonetrooper are real and which aren't, but I can tell that Yoda is a CG model and not a puppet. :)

Oh and he's right that they aren't perfect. They are admittedly nearly indestinguishable, but I am quite sure that there are flaws and that they have not perfected CG. Just look at most any movie out there with it and how most of the time it's pretty obvious when they have CG characters... CG people do NOT look like real people yet. The Troopers deal with that of course by being in armor, but still... I'm sure some people can tell the real thing from the CG...

OB1
And OB1 I may not be able to tell which parts of that clonetrooper are real and which aren't, but I can tell that Yoda is a CG model and not a puppet.

Well of course, organic models at the time of AotC are still not perfect. But it's the best it gets.

Oh and he's right that they aren't perfect. They are admittedly nearly indestinguishable, but I am quite sure that there are flaws and that they have not perfected CG. Just look at most any movie out there with it and how most of the time it's pretty obvious when they have CG characters... CG people do NOT look like real people yet. The Troopers deal with that of course by being in armor, but still... I'm sure some people can tell the real thing from the CG...

We're not talking about most movies, we're talking about the clone troopers in AotC. They are 99% flawless, and if you put them next to real trooper costumes then you would not be able to tell the difference without extensive examining.

However, ILM has already made near-perfect CGI humans for Episode III. I know these pics are small, but try and tell me which one is real and which one is fake.

A Black Falcon
I don't see any pictures...

OB1
Try again.

A Black Falcon
The first one (head) is fake. I think. Though it'd be a better comparison if the second was also of a whole head and not just a small part of it...

OB1
Well I wanted the two pictures to be comparable in size because the real one is only available in that small size. Here's a brighter version of number two:

A Black Falcon
I think that you're saying that the second one is fake, then? :)

OB1
Pretty damn impressive, huh?

A Black Falcon
Very, based on that small part of a face.

OB1
There are digital doubles for just about every character that has a major action scene, so there's one for Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, and some other characters. You won't be able to notice it in the movie however, since it won't be used too much.

A Black Falcon
I bet with a whole body you could tell, but if they use it like those two CG Obi-Wan scenes in AotC, people won't notice unless they're looking for it at the right moment I bet...

OB1
CG Obi-wan scenes?

Dooku had a CG body double in parts of the Yoda fight, could you tell then?

Great Rumbler
I liked the part of Episode 2 documentary where they had the Yoda puppet that had vampire fangs.

OB1
And funny hair.

Great Rumbler
Christopher Lee: I can't believe you'd do this to me, George.

OB1
Hahaha... those were the days.

*sigh*

Great Rumbler
:erm:

OB1
what...

Great Rumbler
Huh?

A Black Falcon
CG Obi-wan scenes?

The ones they mentioned on the documentary on the disc. :)

Oh and as for CG Dooku now that you mention it I'd heard that but that too you can't tell in the film...

OB1
There are no CG Obi-wan scenes in Eppy 2...

I can tell where Dooku was doubled, but only because I analyzed the scene for like, ten bajillion years.

A Black Falcon
Um I remember something about at least part of him being CG when he's being dragged around in the fight with Jango on the planet where they're making the clones and also where he embraces the CG guy in the diner... :)

OB1
Oh right, but that wasn't a full body double, just from the neck down. Yeah that was extremely good CG work.

Darunia
They are indistinguishable from the real ones, so they are perfect.

Maybe in your twisted, warped dictionary the definition of perfect is, verbatim, "indistinguishable from the real one", but in my dictionary (i.e the proper English one), "perfect" is tantamount to being flawless, and unable to be improved upon. There is always room for improvement---your legions of clonetroopers are NOT an exception.

Well since they look so fake, please tell me which parts of that clone tropper pic I posted are fake.

I'm sure the hand is real; i'm sure the helmet & breast plate are fake (or at least so heavily modified by a computer that they might as well be fake.) if i had to guess, i'd guess that some of the armor was added over a real actor maybe. At any rate, dissecting a quasi-real-CG clonetrooper isn't the point. I said that USING CG CLONETROOPERS was unneccesary and detracted from the realism--I didn't say USING A GUY WITH A CG HELMET was.

A Black Falcon
I'll bet you that far less of him is real than you think, Darunia. :)

I agree OB1 shouldn't be using 'perfect' for things that are definitely not perfect, but 'really good' is certainly appropriate. And 'you can be fooled into thinking they are real in some cases'.

OB1
Maybe in your twisted, warped dictionary the definition of perfect is, verbatim, "indistinguishable from the real one", but in my dictionary (i.e the proper English one), "perfect" is tantamount to being flawless, and unable to be improved upon. There is always room for improvement---your legions of clonetroopers are NOT an exception.


Yes there is always room for improvement, but there comes a point where it doesn't make any difference to the human eye. You can add ten billion more polygons to a ten billion polygon ball and it would technically be an improvement, but there's no way you'd be able to tell the difference between the ten billion poly ball and the twenty billion poly ball.

I'm sure the hand is real;
Nope!
i'm sure the helmet & breast plate are fake (or at least so heavily modified by a computer that they might as well be fake.)
Real props and costumes don't get heavily modified, as you put it.
if i had to guess, i'd guess that some of the armor was added over a real actor maybe.


Nope.

At any rate, dissecting a quasi-real-CG clonetrooper isn't the point. I said that USING CG CLONETROOPERS was unneccesary and detracted from the realism--I didn't say USING A GUY WITH A CG HELMET was.


So it's bad to use CG no matter how realistic it used simply because it's not real? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in ages! Guess what Darunia, most of what you see in movies is fake! You know that city background in Citizen Kane? Fake! Movies are totally fake, and if you saw how they were made you might become disillusioned if you thought that they were authentic. It's all fake! Everything! It's all an illusion of some sort. The clone troopers in AotC are all fake because they look like the real deal, and because 99% of the time they were interacting with fake things on screen, whether that be CGI or good old-fashioned models. If they were real then the scenes would actually look more fake because blending full-sized props with miniatures and CGI models is more difficult to do. So it was all done to make things look more real.

Return of the Jedi still stands as the most impressive practical special effects movie ever, and look how much more realistic AotC looks than that. You even complained about the Battle of Endor! Sure CGI is still mostly not 100% realistic at this point, but it still looks more realistic than most practical effects and allows the director a hundred times more freedom to make his or her imagination become a reality. If more people stopped to think and understand the value of CGI and not just bash it because it's the popular thing to do, they'd realize just how valuable it is.

But yes it's still not perfect in most places, but it's the best solution there is. I hated the CGI character animations in Spiderman but can't really think of how they could of done most of the stuff any other way. I just wish they had the same talent working on it as Lucas has on his movies.

A Black Falcon
Yes there is always room for improvement, but there comes a point where it doesn't make any difference to the human eye. You can add ten billion more polygons to a ten billion polygon ball and it would technically be an improvement, but there's no way you'd be able to tell the difference between the ten billion poly ball and the twenty billion poly ball.

And when we get there you will have a point. But we most assuredly are not there yet and even with polys CG things often look more 'sterile' or something... as I said the clone troopers look good because they aren't modelling flesh. Okay, that head is very impressive, but I bet even that full size and you could tell if you were paying attention... we are not perfect yet, OB1, so don't call it that.

Oh and I'm wondering -- is there anything real on those clonetroopers? Just tell us... :)

OB1
And when we get there you will have a point. But we most assuredly are not there yet and even with polys CG things often look more 'sterile' or something... as I said the clone troopers look good because they aren't modelling flesh. Okay, that head is very impressive, but I bet even that full size and you could tell if you were paying attention... we are not perfect yet, OB1, so don't call it that.
Adding more polys to that clone trooper would make absolutely ZERO difference. They are perfect models, and the only thing that could be slightly improved upon is lighting and maybe texturing. But in terms of poly count it's as high as it'll ever be. The Spiderman CG model is a perfect replica of Tobey in suit, bump for bump. It looked fake in the movie because of the animation. Animation, texturing, and lighting are what make most CG models look fake. Poly count is not a problem. These aren't video games running in real-time, ABF. The way they do CGI work for movies is very different. You don't have a hundred clone troopers running around in real time with all of that background stuff. It's all "recorded" seperately and put together in one big composited scene.
Oh and I'm wondering -- is there anything real on those clonetroopers? Just tell us...


You tell me.

A Black Falcon
I have no idea really but if I was going to guess I'd say that they are all CG.

OB1
Maybe... maybe not.

A Black Falcon
Well that clears it up!

OB1
:D

OB1
More pics! Some more of the same Anakin and a super cool Grevious pic:

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=/episode3/newspics/anakin_uk_paper.jpg

http://theforce.net/episode3/newspics/swi75-cover.jpg

Great Rumbler
So who's Grevious supposed to be exactly?

OB1
Droid General who beats the crap out of Jedi and clone troopers with four lightsabers. The new baddie. He's part alien in a robot shell, kinda like Vader. You'll see him in the last ep of Clone Wars.

The guy who voices Bender will voice him in the cartoon. :D

Great Rumbler
The guy who voices Bender will voice him in the cartoon.

John Dimagio. He's actually done a lot of voice acting before, besides being Bender in Futurama. Still, it's kind of hard to imagine him as a really evil character. :D

OB1
Yeah he did Wakka and Kilamanjaro or whatever his name was in FFX.

Great Rumbler
Yeah. He also had a few lines in a couple of the Animatrix shorts, among other things.

OB1
And he's funny.

Great Rumbler
Yes, he is. That's one of the reasons I like listening to the audio commentary for Futurama.

OB1
Yeah they're great. Get season 3 yet? $30 at Best Buy!


Anyhow, Grevious is the cybernetic ghost of christmas future... from the PAST!

Great Rumbler
My brother has seasons 1-3, but all except the first are region 3.

I'll have to swing by Best Buy sometime next week [spring break] and look into that, even though it is a long drive.

OB1
The $30 deal runs out this sunday.

You can it at Deepdiscountdvd.com for $30 though. http://dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/goto?st=deepdiscountdvd&ty=title&id=FXD020501

Great Rumbler
I don't have that much money, and part of what I do have [will have actualy] is gas money.

OB1
S'ok.

Great Rumbler
I did have quite a bit last week, but I splurged it. :)

OB1
On animal crackers, right?

Great Rumbler
How did you guess?!

Actually I spent it on anime DVDs. :)

OB1
What'd ya get?

Great Rumbler
-Shamanic Princess [Three HOURS of anime mayhem!! That's what the case says anyway]
-Knights of Ramune [From the screenwriters of Slayers! Woo!!]
-Happy Lesson volumes 1,2 [It's like those other shows...but better]
-My Neighbor Totoro [Pan and Scan only, no special features and English dub only?! What's wrong with you, 21st Century Fox?!]
-Assemble Insert [crazy show, that]
-His and Her Circumstances volume 3 [Hideaki Anno's [Evangelion] romantic/drama/comedy/insane anime]
-Anime: Concept to Reality [reality being sub-par CG]
-Red Planet [Like Mission to Mars...but different...and not as good.]

OB1
That must have cost a lot.

BTW Disney is going to release Totoro in its original aspect ratio and with the original Japanese track sometime before... 2006. Probably this year.

Great Rumbler
That's good, because this version isn't too great, althought the movie is.

That must have cost a lot.

It was about $150.

Darunia
Season III is available now? Last thing I knew, only the first and second box sets were available.

Great Rumbler
It's been out now for about a week, I think.

Undertow
First up, the new clone trooper!

And no they don't always wear those visors.

http://tcforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=571&stc=1

Neat, he has a Viewmaster. I had one when I was little that could see through time and space. Honest. I even know who's going to be elected as president this year.

Dark Jaguar
:D

Ya know OB1, we weren't all "whining" about the visor anyway. We're just making fun of it because it's fun to, and we only made like one post each! We aren't exactly sticking to this. We're saying it because it's funny, not because it's something we actually, you know, believe or anything. We think that, but we don't like, have that as our fully fledged opinion. Hard to explain, but you know, we won't take any real issue with it, but it's fun to make fun of! Also, we honestly don't care if Star Wars has had it before or not. That's not a way to defend something for us "outsiders" :D.

OB1
Has had what? Visors? Who said that?

Darunia
Original Trilogy > Prequel Trilogy

OB1
Me > Darunia

:D

Undertow
a sack of potatoes > you

Great Rumbler
Prequel Trilogy X Spam > Undertow + Darunia

Darunia
Great Rumbler
------------- + X² - (asshole + ¾ cockª) - 3.12 x Z² = Clam chowder
OB1

Undertow
Prequel Trilogy X Spam > Undertow + Darunia


Think I was defending Darunia? That's silly. A sack of potatoes is better than anyone. You can boil them, mash them, stick them into a stew. <i>Stick them in a stew!</i> What has any forumite done for me lately?

Dark Jaguar
I have X-ray hearing!

THEY WILL BATTLE IN A BATTLE WHERE THERE CAN BE NO WINNER!
WHO WILL WIN?

Questions will be asked, and DESTROYED! By ANSWERS!

Great Rumbler
Think I was defending Darunia? That's silly. A sack of potatoes is better than anyone. You can boil them, mash them, stick them into a stew. Stick them in a stew! What has any forumite done for me lately?

You've got a point there...

Great Rumbler
------------- + X² - (asshole + ¾ cockª) - 3.12 x Z² = Clam chowder
OB1

If it was potato soup or possible even Dutch scallops you might have a point, but otherwise it just doesn't add up.

Darunia
THEY WILL BATTLE IN A BATTLE WHERE THERE CAN BE NO WINNER!
WHO WILL WIN?

Questions will be asked, and DESTROYED! By ANSWERS!


LOL I WONDER WHAT THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE ABOUT....

OB1
New friggin' awesome pics!

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/theend.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/snip.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/onix/agamemnon.jpg
"Say cheese!"

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/onix/memnon1.jpg
Yoda trying to hear what Anakin and Padme are going in their bedroom.

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/onix/memnon2.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/onix/memnon3.jpg
Awesome.

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/onix/memnon4.jpg
That guy should at least keep the illusional teeth.

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/sg1.jpg
Awesome!

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/sg2.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/spoileriffic1.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/spoileriffic2.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/spoileriffic-3.jpg
... SPOILER ALERT!

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/spoileriffic-spacebattle.jpg

http://www.idontfear.com/ROTS/spoilerifficyoda.jpg

Great Rumbler
Finally! A huge space battle!

OB1
You ain't seen nuthin, bubba.

alien space marine
Why does Palpatine suddenly get ugly?

Notice Padme laying on a bed , Does she give birth? How the fuck do all the jedi get killed? There is no way Palpatine,Dooku,Evil Anakin could have done it all?Xwings whoah!

OB1
Why does Palpatine suddenly get ugly?


You shall see, my friend. You shall see. Supposedly the coolest friggin' moment in the movie, too.

Notice Padme laying on a bed , Does she give birth? How the fuck do all the jedi get killed? There is no way Palpatine,Dooku,Evil Anakin could have done it all?Xwings whoah!


Keen eye! Yes she does give birth, and dies shortly afterwards. And not all of the Jedi get killed in Episode III. They just suffer a major blow. It's what happens after Episode III and before Episode IV that the rest of them die. And those are the precursors to the X-Wing, the ARC clone fighters.

Great Rumbler
May 19 can't come soon enough. It'll be like I'm getting a graduation present from George Lucas...except I have to pay to see it...

OB1
Oh... oh he will... be...

never mind.

Great Rumbler
http://tcforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1137&stc=1

OB1
...

Great Rumbler
It's really hard to believe how long it's been since Episode 1 came out. It's been over 5 and half YEARS! And now in just a few months we'll see what could possibly be the last Star Wars movie, it's kind of sad that we won't have another one to look forward to, well unless you count rumors that Steven Speilberg might direct the next trilogy. Not too likely in my view though.

2005 seemed like such a long way away back in 1999...

OB1
There won't be any more movies for a very, very long time. This is it. You can look forward to cartoons and stuff, though.

And I know what you mean. I actually moved back to the U.S. just five months before Episode I came out, and that seems like a lifetime ago. It's the end of an era. :(

A Black Falcon
:(

OB1
I think it's pictures time.

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/1174/dialogue7jp15ui.jpg

http://img159.exs.cx/img159/910/20050216obiutapaubg3ft.jpg

http://ftp.anakinweb.com/episode_3/anakin-conseil.JPG

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/1275/tender1db3cx.jpg

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/9917/anakinvsobiwan2jf.jpg

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/9582/jeditemple7fk.jpg

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/3739/maceandjedi4kf.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/jediknight49/anakinARM1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/richeyhackett/Star%20Wars%20related/sidious.jpg

OB1
More awesome pictures:

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/jedi_temple_burning_01.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/gg_fighter_01.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/dead_dooku.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/obiwan_magna_01.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/cin_anakin_01.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/movie_news/raymus_antilles_01.jpg

OB1
The guy above is Captain Raymus Antilles, father of the guy in the beginning of ANH.

Great Rumbler
You're pics aren't working, OB1.

OB1
The ones I just posted?

Great Rumbler
Yeah, for some reason all I got was just a blank. There wasn't even any broken link boxes.

OB1
How about this:

Great Rumbler
Those work, but the ones you originally posted still don't for some reason.

OB1
Yeah...

Cool pics, huh?

Great Rumbler
Yeah, they are. Episode 3 is going to be an awesome movie.

By the way, there's a thread going at DVDTalk that's full of new Episode 3 images.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=402768&page=13&pp=25

OB1
Yeah I've seen all that stuff.

Great Rumbler
I like this pic:

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/406/new9q2zt7ho.jpg

OB1
yeah

Great Rumbler
Off-topic: Did you know that they finally released a trailer for The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy that had actual footage in it? I saw it the other day and it looked pretty good. It's still hard to tell at this point, but I think it's going to be a good movie.

OB1
Yeah.