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Great Rumbler
Now I remember!! It's snow!! About five inches of it, which isn't a lot by some standards but in southern Oklahoma it only slows like this about once every 2-3 years.

A Black Falcon
I want more snow. It's only snowed twice in the last month and a half and there's just like three or four inches of pretty hard snow on the ground... after those several feet in early December it's been very dry. :(

Ryan
We had five inches of the white shit last month.

If I never see snow again in my entire life, I might not be unhappy. When I was fat and the cold didn't bother me, I was okay with it. Frankly, right now I think a nice week in Aruba would be great.

Plus, when I was in school, snow got me a day off. Now that I work, I still have to go to work, rain, shine, or white shit. So, there's not even a practical use for it now.

I say, bring on the global warming!

A Black Falcon
Snow is great! It always makes me happy to see it snowing out... :)

Ryan
That's because you never go outside!

A Black Falcon
I go outside to go to class... so? You have to wear a coat from November to April anyway, so who cares if it's snowing? Actually I like it, if it isn't freezing cold... I far prefer snow to freezing wind or extreme cold... The only problem is if you drive (in a snowstorm -- getting used to driving during winter doesn't take that long). And I don't drive much. :)

Fittisize
I love snow...skiing! And we sure do still have a fuckload of it here. At least it's gotten warmer...on average it's only -10 Celsius now. And it doesn't rain anymore when it's -20. So uh, now whenever I'm going to the city I only see about one or two cars instead of five or six in the ditch.

DMiller
It was just about no-coat weather tonight. I'm pretty sure it was in the high 20s. No snow, though, and a lot of it melted the last few days. Bring on some more of the white stuff!

A Black Falcon
I've heard people in the south consider the mid 20s cold... it's not. At least not in winter. :) I don't know about no coat, though. 30s, yeah, if you walk quickly. :)

Ryan
I don't know about south of where I live, but anything under 50 is cold here. Cold is seeing your breath.

Consequently, 'hot' doesn't start until about 95. Unfortunately, 'humid' more than makes up for it.

A Black Falcon
'hot' is about 75 or more, i'd say. And 'cold' depends on the season. For summer 50 may be chilly, but for the rest of the year? 20s, minimum... and as for 95, that's absurdly hot and it only gets that warm a couple times a year. It never gets to 100...

alien space marine
What are you pussies complaining about? 5 inches of snow is nothing!
I remeber once a freak snow storm in atlantic canada in 1990 that brought 3 feet of snow all in one day and it was so bad the premier had to announce a state of emergency as many people couldnt leave their homes and some cars were Buried in snow on the highway and couldnt be found untill a week later.

A Black Falcon
Yes, it's quite pathetic them complaining about that...

EdenMaster
We had five inches of the white shit last month.

If I never see snow again in my entire life, I might not be unhappy. When I was fat and the cold didn't bother me, I was okay with it. Frankly, right now I think a nice week in Aruba would be great.

Cry me a friggen river, you wuss :).

Since the snow started flying, we've had 70 inches dumped on our sorry lakeside asses, and in these parts, spring don't come till late March, so we got plenty left to come. One night a few weeks back brought an ice storm which caked everything in town under a quarter inch of ice. It took me almost 15 minutes to chip enough ice off of my car to see out the windshield and even get my door open. You could have skated on empty parking lots.

You wussies complaining about your five inches will get no sympathy from me. :evilha:

alien space marine
70 inches ? Thats kind of rare and is probaily worse then what I had said.

EdenMaster
Well that's for the whole season, but still, that's nothing to scoff at.

To make it worse, we live directly and I mean DIRECTLY south of Lake Erie, thus anytime the wind shifts even slightly, we get punished with snow.

Oh, and around here, 50 degrees is longsleeve T-Shirt weather.

Fittisize
It depends on the season up here...if one day it's -10 and the next day it's zero, then that's t-shirt weather. But if in the Spring it's 10-13 degrees and the next day it's zero, then you'll find yourself wearing a light jacket.

Bwahahaha, this is about the ninety eighth time we've had a discussion about weather where we live.

Great Rumbler
'hot' is about 75 or more, i'd say.

75 here is considered the "just right" temperature

and as for 95, that's absurdly hot

Absurdly hot is 105...in the shade.

Dark Jaguar
"Just right" for me is a slight chill in the air, so something like 65-70 is perfect for me. Also, ALMOST perfectly clear skies with one cloud covering the sun, and following it from dawn until dusk, is perfect sky for me (sunny, but not overly bright), though I know that will NEVER EVER happen, EVER.

Also, we don't need 70 inches of snow for our vehicles to become encased in a cage of ice. We too end up digging vehicles out of thick sheets of ice struggling just to get the door open. I find it funny more than annoying myself.

A Black Falcon
Since the snow started flying, we've had 70 inches dumped on our sorry lakeside asses, and in these parts, spring don't come till late March, so we got plenty left to come. One night a few weeks back brought an ice storm which caked everything in town under a quarter inch of ice. It took me almost 15 minutes to chip enough ice off of my car to see out the windshield and even get my door open. You could have skated on empty parking lots.

Spring in March? Not here... spring is April, and even then it just means that occasionally the snow melts and turns everything into mud...

Also, we don't need 70 inches of snow for our vehicles to become encased in a cage of ice. We too end up digging vehicles out of thick sheets of ice struggling just to get the door open. I find it funny more than annoying myself.

Garages are good.


Bwahahaha, this is about the ninety eighth time we've had a discussion about weather where we live.

So? It's still funny to see them complain about a few inches of snow... :)

Oh, and on the subject of heat, I know I dislike heat... but still, the fact that we don't have air conditioning means it matters more... sure you may not find the mid 80s hot but I do. Summer temperatures... 90s are rare and those are heat waves. 70s, 80s... 60s sometimes, sure. But that's fine, I prefer my summers not really warm.

EdenMaster
Spring in March? Not here... spring is April, and even then it just means that occasionally the snow melts and turns everything into mud...

Hey, if we're getting warm temperatures in March, then that's considered a good year.

Weather is so screwy here. Winter can start way before Halloween, or as late as after New Years (yes, we've had Christmas without a flake of snow). Conversely, it can end anywhere between March and it even dragged on until May one especially frigid year.

buckey_lasek
Hey, if we're getting warm temperatures in March, then that's considered a good year.

Weather is so screwy here. Winter can start way before Halloween, or as late as after New Years (yes, we've had Christmas without a flake of snow). Conversely, it can end anywhere between March and it even dragged on until May one especially frigid year.

i would say that this year is extremely screwey considering it is 12degrees now it'll be in the mid 40s by this weekend. and it's been like this since december.

Great Rumbler
Saturday: high 20s, 5 inches of snow.
Sunday: mid 40s, snow starts to melt.
Monday: 60s, snow melts.

:(

Ryan
Hahahaha, we'll see who's laughing come July. You snow bunnies would be shitting your pants if you had to suffer a central Virginia summer. If you ever thought 97 degree days were bad, try adding 100% humidity to it, and multiply it by three months. That humidity makes it ten times worse, when the air is thick, wet, cloying, and hard to breathe. It's what kills the old people as often as heat stroke.

75 degrees HOT? That's less than room temperature!

alien space marine
You guys are pussies! In England its a big deal just to have a clear blue sky.

Ryan
We got snow last night. A dusting, really. I still had to waste time cleaning my car.

Many people hate snow because it impedes driving. Not me. I'm quite used to it. However, it does really get in the way and after what in Virginia is considered a monumental blizzard of five inches, it just finished melting after three weeks, so I'm sick to death of looking at it.

Fittisize
A change of scenery is good every once in awhile.

A Black Falcon
Hahahaha, we'll see who's laughing come July. You snow bunnies would be shitting your pants if you had to suffer a central Virginia summer. If you ever thought 97 degree days were bad, try adding 100% humidity to it, and multiply it by three months. That humidity makes it ten times worse, when the air is thick, wet, cloying, and hard to breathe. It's what kills the old people as often as heat stroke.

75 degrees HOT? That's less than room temperature!

I called 85 hot, not 75. :)

And at least you have air conditioners...

Great Rumbler
[QUOTE=Weltall]Hahahaha, we'll see who's laughing come July. You snow bunnies would be shitting your pants if you had to suffer a central Virginia summer. If you ever thought 97 degree days were bad, try adding 100% humidity to it, and multiply it by three months. That humidity makes it ten times worse, when the air is thick, wet, cloying, and hard to breathe. It's what kills the old people as often as heat stroke.

75 degrees HOT? That's less than room temperature![QUOTE]

I remember one summer where we had several days with a temperature of over 110 degrees. Now that's hot.

Humidity does make a huge difference though. Here in Oklahoma it's not quite as wet so it doesn't feel as hot.

EdenMaster
Hahahaha, we'll see who's laughing come July. You snow bunnies would be shitting your pants if you had to suffer a central Virginia summer. If you ever thought 97 degree days were bad, try adding 100% humidity to it, and multiply it by three months. That humidity makes it ten times worse, when the air is thick, wet, cloying, and hard to breathe. It's what kills the old people as often as heat stroke.

75 degrees HOT? That's less than room temperature!

Things get humid here, too. As I said, we're lakeside.

We have cold winters and hot summers. Never is there a middle ground. This place is so screwy.

A Black Falcon
Oceans moderate temperatures. The farther from the ocean you are the bigger the temperature swings... well except for the tropics where the seasons are wet and dry not hot and cold. :)

Laser Link
You have to wear a coat from November to April anyway, so who cares if it's snowing?

That's the point exactly. And in truth it actually is much warmer when it snows than when you get a crystal clear night. I totally agree that 60 is about the perfect temperature, especially in the fall. That just feels like football. The last couple days we have probably been getting up to 50 during the day, so that has been very nice. Still pretty cold at night though.

I used to stay outside all day, and I never got cold. Now I have a bit of a different perspective: My car has no heater and the doors and windows don't close all the way. I have to walk about a half mile to and from school from where I park my car, and since I'm going to be in class or the labs all day I can't really wear a whole lot of clothes because I don't want to haul all that around. And then the fun part is walking and driving back at 9pm. Now I appreciate the warmer days like today.

A Black Falcon
... they make cars without heaters? I don't think they'd get many customers for that kind of car around here... :D

Ryan
All cars have heaters. However, having a heater that doesn't work is just as well as having none at all. :)

A Black Falcon
True... :)

Geno
In Alabama, it snows about every 2-3 years PERIOD. It's pretty cold out around this time of year, but we've been getting nothing but rain. It rains too much here.

Ryan
It's going to snow tonight and tomorrow morning. Dolphin fuck. :(

geoboy
Yes, dolphin fuck INDEED.

A Black Falcon
If its raining its not cold. :)

Great Rumbler
I beg to differ.

A Black Falcon
Freezing rain can be cold, true... and I would say rain is far more unpleasant than snow. Snow is light and fluffy and doesn't drench everything... rain is much worse.

DMiller
It's suppose to be in the 40s the next few days and maybe even 50s on Friday! What the hell?! Time to break out the shorts.

Great Rumbler
Freezing rain can be cold, true... and I would say rain is far more unpleasant than snow. Snow is light and fluffy and doesn't drench everything... rain is much worse.

Of course snow is better, but just because it's raining doesn't mean it isn't cold.

A Black Falcon
It means its not much below freezing...

Ryan
Our snow already came and melted :D

OB1
It's 65 degrees over here in Colorado right now.

Great Rumbler
It means its not much below freezing...

It doesn't have to be below freezing to be cold.

A Black Falcon
In winter, above freezing is quite warm. Here anyway.

Fittisize
Anything about 10 degrees is warm. 15 on a spring day is nice...20 on a summer day is about average.

Ugh, I remember last year I was playing soccer and it started to SNOW. Extremely heavily, only a couple of days away from June. And it was in the first half...we still played the whole game though (I never got subbed off once...I was freezing in my shorts and jersey). The game ended 1-1. There was probably two good shots in the whole second half. :D

Great Rumbler
In winter, above freezing is quite warm. Here anyway.

I consider anything below 50 to be cold enough for a jacket and anything below 40 is too cold for me.

A Black Falcon
As I said, silly Southerners! 50 is long sleeve shirt weather at most. A cool summer day well might hit the mid 50s... 40? Light coat probably, if you have one. Maybe a winter coat, but it's on the edge...

Great Rumbler
As I said, silly Southerners! 50 is long sleeve shirt weather at most. A cool summer day well might hit the mid 50s... 40? Light coat probably, if you have one. Maybe a winter coat, but it's on the edge...

You crazy Notherners.

A Black Falcon
50 degrees and you wear a COAT? You'd be wearing one 9 months of the year around here... :)

Great Rumbler
And that's why I don't live up there.

Ryan
As I said, silly Southerners! 50 is long sleeve shirt weather at most. A cool summer day well might hit the mid 50s... 40? Light coat probably, if you have one. Maybe a winter coat, but it's on the edge...
So much for ever SWIMMING.

Unless you like pneumonia.

A Black Falcon
I don't swim in the ocean in Maine. The water is way too cold. :)

Ryan
I know. I probably said so before but I spent my 14th birthday in southern Maine in the middle of July and it was in the damn 40s. I mean, what the hell is up with that?

On a much brighter note, it was a fantastic 60 degrees today.

OB1
Man... I'd hate to live in Maine. And can you imagine living there and not liking its only perk-- seafood??

Great Rumbler
On a much brighter note, it was a fantastic 60 degrees today.


That's about how warm it was here.

Ryan
Man... I'd hate to live in Maine. And can you imagine living there and not liking its only perk-- seafood??
The ONLY reason we went there that time was for lobster, and I hate lobster. I was perfectly fine with not going any farther north than Massachusetts, because Bar Harbor's water seemed like 50 degrees warmer than Maine's.

Fittisize
-9 today. :) I didn't wear a coat to school, it was so warm.

Weltall, you wouldn't last one year living in Canada. You sissy.

Ryan
No, I most certainly wouldn't. But then again, you wouldn't last through three months of a good, steaming Virginia summer either, with air so hot and so thickly-wet that you can barely breathe it.

Great Rumbler
No, I most certainly wouldn't. But then again, you wouldn't last through three months of a good, steaming Virginia summer either, with air so hot and so thickly-wet that you can barely breathe it.

I know what you mean.

A Black Falcon
It was pretty warm today... must have gotten above freezing for sure because snow melted and I didn't need to zip my coat...

Oh, and the ocean water is in the 50s usually in summer... maybe 60s if you're lucky, but usually not. 40s is possible though if it was cool. :)

Oh, and Acadia National Park (Bar Harbor...) is nice. Cadillac Mountain has the first daylight in the country I think, because of its height...

And as I've said before I happen to consider Maine's weather one of its strong points, not one of its weak points. And the weather in the South is a major negative of that part of the country. :)

Great Rumbler
And the weather in the South is a major negative of that part of the country.

Not having insanely cold winters is not a negative point.

A Black Falcon
Yes it is. I like winter, and think cold weather is just fine. And the insanely hot summers in the south... that would be awful...

Fittisize
Hmm, I don't know which I'd rather prefer: insanely cold, or insanely hot. I'm used to the insane cold (and this year, it has just been INSANE. Four days in a row where it was minus 40....that's both celsius and farenheit), or insane hieat. I was in BC for a hockey camp last summer...three days in a row where it was above 40 degrees celsius (bah, Farenheit is a dumb way to measure temperature) and I got through that...I didn't bitch at all, anyways. :)

Ryan
You know why we'll never change to Celsius? Because when you say it was in the 40s and how hot it was, it just sounds really wrong. I know Celsius is more practical, being based on water, but Farenheit seems more intuitive to me.

That aside, 40 celsius is about 105, which is pretty hot. However, if it's dry heat, it's not that bad. I love 80, 90 degree weather when the air is dry. However, in my corner of the world, it is extraordinarily humid, and that makes anything above 80 uncomfortable, anything above 90 bad, and anything above 100 murderous. If you never felt it, you just can't know. You know how wind chill makes the cold worse? Humidity makes the hot worse. And consider that we go through a good three to four months of that. And, if it rains, it's relief then, but once the sun hits the rain water, you almost literally cannot breathe the air from the humidity... it's so thick it makes your head swim.

Now, for much of my life, when I was fat, I agreed with ABF: I loved winter and hated summer. The cold could never penetrate my fat, but the heat absolutely destroyed me. Now that I'm normal-sized though, the cold gets right into my bones by way of my hands and it's awful, but the heat doesn't bother me a bit now. I went to Florida in the dead of July, which is stickier and hotter even than Richmond by quite a bit, and I felt just fine.

Fittisize
Bah, saying that 15 degrees is cold just sounds wrong.

To me, anyways. :(

Ryan
Metric isn't as poetic, either. Could you imagine The Who singing "I can see for kilometers and kilometers, I can see for Kilometers and kilometers"?

Oh yes, it's been bothering me for days now, so forgive me, but I have to do this.

What's this white, powdery stuff?

COCAINE! ROFL.

Fittisize
Metric isn't as poetic, either. Could you imagine The Who singing "I can see for kilometers and kilometers, I can see for Kilometers and kilometers"?
Around here we call 'em 'clicks'. :) Not as poetic? Phhhh. 'meter' just rolls right of the tongue, and then you have the harsh sounding 'foot'.

btw, how many feet are in a mile?? I'm just curious.

Dark Jaguar
I gotta agree with ABF, I can't stand the heat. Can't really stand freezing temps either, but the difference is I can actually change my own temp for winter easily enough (even if I have to do it every single time I go out, well unless it's Oklahoma like it is, meaning that sometimes you can easily go outside in shorts and be perfectly comfortable in the middle of January, but later that day the temp will drop down really fast and it'll snow). I also like snow, but summer doesn't have any sort of thing like that does it? Sun flakes, gotta invent those... Sure, it'll probably kill us all, but in the mean time, golden sunmen!

Is it true people in england use "stone" as a measurement of weight? That's nuts! I heard someone say something on TV like "and it weighed about 2 and a half stones" and I was all like "what on Earth? How do you even decide what stone to use?".

Metric is just better if you ask me, all around. Personally I'd go with Kelvin if I had the choice. Nice to have something like the absolute lack of any heat energy at all to determine 0. Eh, but the main advantage is still the ease of conversion. I hate the whole concept of learning all those ridiculous and arbitrary numbers. Plus, you either have to learn a whole slew of conversion formulas or do multiple conversions from feet to miles to blah blah blah just to get what you want, rather than just a single conversion using a very simple formula. Honestly, America is the only country that seems to have a big problem with metric. We're behind, and we need to accept it. The rest of the world is almost completely metric, and they just ablige us because of how big a market we present to them. Really, what's holding us back? Is it the same thing preventing any REAL school reforms? Money won't be enough for sure, because I've seen what happens when a school gets more money. They buy TVs for every single classroom so that the announcements can be seen as well as heard, and they don't have to wheel in a TV from the media lab to watch the occasional movie (watching those movies was still just as rare afterwards) and meanwhile, the books are still outdated and the computer classes still just have programs for improving typing speed.

Ryan
Around here we call 'em 'clicks'. :) Not as poetic? Phhhh. 'meter' just rolls right of the tongue, and then you have the harsh sounding 'foot'.

btw, how many feet are in a mile?? I'm just curious.
5280.

Great Rumbler
We'll never accept metric!! NEVER!!!

COCAINE! ROFL.

No don't eat it it's anthrax!!!

I like winter, and think cold weather is just fine. And the insanely hot summers in the south... that would be awful...

Well I absolute hate anything even marginally cold, so for me it's a negative.

Fittisize
5280.
See, that's much too complicated to figure out how many feet are in long distances. How many feet in 27 miles? I could figure it out, but I'd first have to grab a calulator and do a calculation...and by that time too much time will have passed.

See, in 27 km, there is 2,700 meters. Much easier to convert.

And yet another reason why the metric system kicks ass. :p

Ryan
See, that's much too complicated to figure out how many feet are in long distances. How many feet in 27 miles? I could figure it out, but I'd first have to grab a calulator and do a calculation...and by that time too much time will have passed.

See, in 27 km, there is 2,700 meters. Much easier to convert.

And yet another reason why the metric system kicks ass. :p
But who the hell ever needs to know how many feet are in a mile, anyway?

If you grow up with it all your life, it's natural for you. And, there are many things in America that are metric, or at least dual. For instance, many dry measurements are done in grams, almost all cars display KMH, and there is, of course, the ubiquitous 2-Liter bottle.

And as The Onion once said, metric is very well-known in the inner cities. Anyone there knows that gun bores are measured in millimeters, cocaine is measured in grams, and heroin is measured in cubic centimeters.

A Black Falcon
DJ: Yes, it is true that in England they have a unit called the "stone" they use to measure their weight by. It's a Standard unit (ie not metric) but they still use it... I forget how many pounds it is though.

Oh and Metric temperatures are just bizarre. I can't figure out what they are... I guess 30 is hot but that's so odd, 30 is ... well not cold but it's right around freezing (32). It was in the 30s in the last few days... as I've said, warmer than it had been for a while and some snow melted. But we got another inch today to make it better. :)

Anyway, Farenheight is better. More precice without going to decimals -- it's got almost twice as many numbers (180 vs 100 in Celcius)between freezing and boiling, after all!

And sure there are standard units you forget, like all the levels of liquid measure... um, I don't even remember what they are all called not to mention how many there are in each level... you remember the ones you use much, and forget the ones you don't. If you forget and need them you look them up. :D But 5280 feet in a mile is easy. And it's 1760 yards in a mile I think... 5280/3...

We will never change! ... well except for the things that have... but I don't see us changing all the way over. It's too ingrained and too many of us (like me! :)) don't want to get rid of it.

Great Rumbler
Standard measurements are already too ingrained in us for us to change over to something else, even if we started using metric we'd still think of things in standard and then convert the measurements over. Besides, like ABF said we don't want to use metric! It's un-American!

A Black Falcon
England was forced to switch by law -- it's illegal to sell things by Standard and having Standard scales in a store is illegal and if they find them they can be confiscated...

Ryan
DJ: Yes, it is true that in England they have a unit called the "stone" they use to measure their weight by. It's a Standard unit (ie not metric) but they still use it... I forget how many pounds it is though.

Oh and Metric temperatures are just bizarre. I can't figure out what they are... I guess 30 is hot but that's so odd, 30 is ... well not cold but it's right around freezing (32). It was in the 30s in the last few days... as I've said, warmer than it had been for a while and some snow melted. But we got another inch today to make it better. :)

Anyway, Farenheight is better. More precice without going to decimals -- it's got almost twice as many numbers (180 vs 100 in Celcius)between freezing and boiling, after all!

And sure there are standard units you forget, like all the levels of liquid measure... um, I don't even remember what they are all called not to mention how many there are in each level... you remember the ones you use much, and forget the ones you don't. If you forget and need them you look them up. :D But 5280 feet in a mile is easy. And it's 1760 yards in a mile I think... 5280/3...

We will never change! ... well except for the things that have... but I don't see us changing all the way over. It's too ingrained and too many of us (like me! :)) don't want to get rid of it.
Plus, could you imagine the costs of switching? For simple starters, you would have to replace every road sign in America, and what with the world's most extensive highway system, that would literally be countless millions of signs that would have to be replaced.

A Black Falcon
The sign and paint companies would love it... :D

Ryan
Road signs are done with decals now. The paint companies would get shafted.

Fittisize
Hundreds of millions of signs to be replaced? Well, that's only like, what, $10 in extra taxes from each citizen? You could replace all the signs within a year.

Ryan
Okay. Now factor in the costs of the labor needed to replace them, and then the problems of highway stoppage. We're talking tens of billions of dollars just to replace a system that already works perfectly well.

Fittisize
Well, if your flawed system of criminal justice could work, you could just use your slaves to take down all the signs!

Yeesh, maybe if you guys DIDN'T go to war you could have afforded to get rid of all those crappy signs that don't have metric on them. But NOW look where you're at!

Ryan
We wouldn't change to metric if we didn't go to war. Hell, we could completely cut government spending, stop all wars, erase all debts, enslave every criminal in America, dance the Charleston naked on a flagpole and shake the hand of Jesus Christ Himself, and we'd still never waste our time on a silly conversion.

Besides, kilometers (or even more stuffy, kilometres) sounds too European, and as we all know, Europeans are sissies.

A Black Falcon
Kilometres is the European spelling. Here Kilometers is right. :) And it was a European invention but now all but three countries in the world use it... it's us, Liberia, and the dictators in "Myanmar" (aka Burma)...

Dark Jaguar
Eh, it's not exactly like it needs to be done all at once. BAsically, just have a new ordinanec so that whenever a speed limit sign faded or was knocked down or stolen or something, it's replaced with a metric sign.

Odd story, yet amusing for some reason. One time, my mother and I were amazingly lost in some backwoods nowheres land. Pavement had long since left us behind and dirt roads were all that could be seen. At any rate, we came across a speed limit sign that not only had kilometers on it, but ONLY had kilometers on it. For the first time, to get to the speed limit, we actually would have to use that smaller kilometer scale on the spedometer, and it was in hicsville at that. Almost makes me wonder if hillbillies are actually geniuses PRETENDING to be morons... Maybe there's some cloaking device hiding some advanced civilization, with a barely understandable drawl...

Speed limits aren't the first thing on my mind when converting anyway. Just convert everything ELSE to metric, easy enough, scales support it, most foreign machines use metric units, and even various soda bottle use metric. Save the whole speed limit thing for last, and maybe it won't even be needed to convert. After all, no one even pays attention to speed limits any more :D. It'll be rather odd telling someone how far away a place is in kilometers and they are reading MPH, but who cares?

Besides, it's superior!

Great Rumbler
Standard is way cooler than Metric.

5280 Feet = 1 Mile

1000 Terameters = ????

See? What's a terameter mean anyway?! Who knows!

A Black Falcon
No, it's not. The cost would be immense. Absurdly large. And the public outcry if anyone tried it would be huge too... ever wonder why when we tried a few steps in the '70s it didn't go far? Yeah, because people don't want to use Metric... we are used to the units we've always used and couldn't just switch over to a whole different way of thinking (and if you think about it it would be, almost like having to suddenly spend the rest of your life speaking a foreign language...). And people teach their children the units. Yes we are using Metric more now, what with 2 liter bottles, Metric parts in lots of machinery and cars, teaching Metric in school science classes, etc... but I don't see us switching over all the way. Not anytime remotely soon, certainly. It is both unrealistic and would just be ... wrong ... :)

Sure Standard is more complex, and it's next to impossible to remember all of hte units, but as GR says that's part of the charm... as well as the fact that Imperial (British) Standard is/was actually a bit different in some units from US Standard... :D

Fittisize
we are used to the units we've always used and couldn't just switch over to a whole different way of thinking (and if you think about it it would be, almost like having to suddenly spend the rest of your life speaking a foreign language...)
But we Canadians switched! All thanks to the greatest PM ever, Mr. Trudeau. So there is no reason why Americans shouldn't be able to switch to....

Great Rumbler
The things is we don't want to change, we like Standard.

Fittisize
But you'll like metric! Trust me...just give it a shot. For only one year.

Dark Jaguar
1,000 Terameters is 1 Petameter, duh. Further more, it's also 1,000,000 gigameters, which is 1,000,000,000 megameters, which is 1,000,000,000,000 kilometers. See? The conversions are EXACTLY like all other metric conversions. Also, data is measured metrically, the most basic unit of which is the bit or the byte. Byte is rather arbitrary, but bit is a fundamental unit that actually can't be divided further. You won't ever hear about a centibit.

You see, THAT'S why metric is so great. The conversions are just THAT easy. I didn't need to remember a thing except what name is higher or lower than the other and the fact that adding or taking away a few zeros did the job and boom, converted.

"Charm"? Ya know, I don't use measurement systems because they are charming ABF...

Sure it'll be weird, but it's gotta be done sometime. Why not now? Well, yeah, I know why not NOW. But, you know later, when our economy ISN'T in the toilet we should do it asap.

I say it HAS to be done sometime because it DOES have to be done sometime. PROGRESS will not wait for those who don't adapt, right ABF and your low resolution which SUCKS? And now I'll shout the word science. SCIENCE!

Oh yes, and I'm only suggesting changing public thought, which doesn't cost much, and leaving the road signs alone for the time being. That'll come later, after the next generation has been taught to use metric and say "why don't we get rid of those old road signs?". You see? It's BULLET PROOF!

Ryan
I dunno. Maybe people will like being weighed in Kilograms, since they're numerically smaller than pounds. They need to make that method of attack.

Fittisize
Hmm....actually we mainly use pounds up here for weighing...people. Everything else is weighed in kg...mostly. But on your drivers license and stuff it has your weight as kilograms.

It's all weird, man!

Ryan
Hmm....actually we mainly use pounds up here for weighing...people. Everything else is weighed in kg...mostly. But on your drivers license and stuff it has your weight as kilograms.

It's all weird, man!
They list weight on your driver's licenses?

Great Rumbler
Standard is easy to convert.

12 inches = 1 foot
3 feet = 1 yard
5280 feet = 1 mile
3(4?) miles = 1 league
1000 miles = A long way
12 long ways = A really long ways
1000 really long ways = Like all the way to the moon

Dark Jaguar
Haha, of course! Why didn't I see it before? Good man GR...

Weight on a liscense? Yeah that is weird when you think about it, that CHANGES. What possible use could it have? Height is at least somewhat stationary by the time a person gets one anyway. Also, yes it IS very odd to still use pounds to weigh people but kilograms the rest of the time, and sometimes still to weigh people... I mean, what's the deal with that? Guess it's like containers using both gallons and liters here, basically just sticking with whatever unit that standard of container first came in. Metric for soda, standard for milk... Oookay...

An attack plan like "you weigh LESS kilograms than you do pounds!" would probably work Weltall! There are likely enough people dumb enough to fall for that line of thought (mainly because it's on TV, and TV has standards don't they? :D) and not enough people who will say "But kilograms are heavier than pounds so it's the same thing, the SAME THING!" to really make a difference, plus those people who point that out would be the same ones who would want everyone to go metric anyway so they'd keep quiet anyway :D.

Dark Jaguar
Oh yes, tempurature would be the hardest front to hit. Everyone likes farenheight, though I myself have no idea what 0 and 100 sit at. I only learned that for celsius, simple enough, 0 is freezing, 100 is boiling. Wow that threw me off as a kid hearing that things are "100 degrees in the shade" and thinking "I guess the body is pretty near boiling all the time, it's just a few degrees from burning I guess...". Heh, that's why I wouldn't mind so much going celsius, though the other half of me is the part that has become used to F, the only point I know of though is 70 degrees, which is "comfortable", and everything else is either "hot" or "cold".

OB1
I lived in Europe for four years but still used Standard. When someone would say to me "that weighs so and so kilos" I'd reply "in American, damnit!". :D

A Black Falcon
DJ were you born in Canada or do you just have strange parents, because most people in the US aren't brought up using Metric... :)

And Celcius is just odd. Oh I know the '0 - 100' thing makes sense, but.. 30 hot? That's just wrong! And anyway as I said Farenheight is more precise. :D

Oh and Farenheight was supposed to have some different numbers I think but there were some innacuracies in Farenheight's calculations and they had to change it some... so now water freezes at 32 and boils at 212 (as I said that's a 180 degree difference -- intentional. Half a circle. :))

Oh I think the thing was about body temp or something... I think human body temperature was supposed to be 100 but he was off and it's actually 92.6 or something like that... I forget about 0.

Fittisize
They list weight on your driver's licenses?

They sure do....and yes it is something that can change a lot, but maybe you have to get your license renewed more in Canada? I dunno.

Anyways my learners permit (bah, I wish I was old enough to drive on my own legally) has issue date, height, weight, etc.

My [learners] license is flawed, though! I'm 12 kg. heavier then what I was at the issue date! :D

Great Rumbler
My license lists my weight on it.

Dark Jaguar
See what I mean? That whole unit of measurement is constantly in flux because it's not based on some sure thing that won't change. Seconds are nice and metric, though all other units of time above it, though TECHNICALLY metric for being based on it, don't have the luxery of easy conversation. Still, wouldn't change THAT due to how much easier it is to use those units than having to figure out how many gigaseconds it is until the new game comes out.

Oh and, as I already explained a few times, during elementary my school made a similar choice that really old schools made when they decided to teach the "new math" (you know, the hard to learn stuff that doesn't work?). They all taught us metric instead of english standard. Now, the thing is I think that was the only school doing that in the whole state. Also, I only went to that school for a year or two, as was the case with EVERY school I've ever been to. Why none of them since then decided to get down and teach me standard I am not sure, but I think it's a combination of OK school's lack of goodness (that's FUNNY, LAUGH!) coupled with the teachers just being impressed at a student knowing metric. You have to keep in mind that while most people know standard, they still think of metric as a "smart" standard of measurement (what they don't get is that metric is smart because it's so easy, not because it's something you need a diploma in to understand), so they would actually indulge me and not only allow me to use metric measurements, but went about telling all the others students they should learn too. Really, in retrospect it does seem rather odd. No, I'm not from Canada. I've lived in Oklahoma my whole life.

I bet you didn't read that whole incident with the kilometers-per-hour only sign in the middle of nowhere did you?

Ryan
They sure do....and yes it is something that can change a lot, but maybe you have to get your license renewed more in Canada? I dunno.

Anyways my learners permit (bah, I wish I was old enough to drive on my own legally) has issue date, height, weight, etc.

My [learners] license is flawed, though! I'm 12 kg. heavier then what I was at the issue date! :D
I suppose it differs from state to state. In Virginia, you have to renew your license every fifth year of your life (ie. age 20, 25, 30, etc). This is what mine looks like (and I can't believe I actually looked like that once!)

A Black Falcon
Oh and, as I already explained a few times, during elementary my school made a similar choice that really old schools made when they decided to teach the "new math" (you know, the hard to learn stuff that doesn't work?). They all taught us metric instead of english standard. Now, the thing is I think that was the only school doing that in the whole state. Also, I only went to that school for a year or two, as was the case with EVERY school I've ever been to. Why none of them since then decided to get down and teach me standard I am not sure, but I think it's a combination of OK school's lack of goodness (that's FUNNY, LAUGH!) coupled with the teachers just being impressed at a student knowing metric. You have to keep in mind that while most people know standard, they still think of metric as a "smart" standard of measurement (what they don't get is that metric is smart because it's so easy, not because it's something you need a diploma in to understand), so they would actually indulge me and not only allow me to use metric measurements, but went about telling all the others students they should learn too. Really, in retrospect it does seem rather odd. No, I'm not from Canada. I've lived in Oklahoma my whole life.

And I learned Metric some in first grade too (not as the only units used but we were introduced to it), but didn't then use it for everything... you mean all of your classes were ONLY metric? How bizarre. But at home I'd expect you to use Standard from the beginning...

See what I mean? That whole unit of measurement is constantly in flux because it's not based on some sure thing that won't change. Seconds are nice and metric, though all other units of time above it, though TECHNICALLY metric for being based on it, don't have the luxery of easy conversation. Still, wouldn't change THAT due to how much easier it is to use those units than having to figure out how many gigaseconds it is until the new game comes out.

Metric people knew they couldn't change our system of time... too ingrained I guess. I mean units of 60 aren't normal standard now. They were for the Babylonians who we owe that to (since the Babylonians had a Base-60 number system), but not anymore... :)

Fittisize
I like how on your driver's it says 'chesterfield', Weltall.

But what does a couch have to do with driving?

Ryan
Chesterfield is the county I live in. I don't understand why I don't have my address as Chesterfield, VA, since many people in this area do, but nonetheless, that's what it means.

Funny, no one commented on how it says I have no class. :D

Fittisize
I actually made a post like that.

But then I deleted it.

Fittisize
btw. in my LA book I found an article about the Metric System in Canada and how it's integrated...bwaha.


The Metric System [Sort Of]

Canada was declared a metric nation in 1971, and after 2.8 decades, it's safe to say that we're as metric as we're going to get. At first, the to systems, metric and imperial, battled it out-the metricists seized the road signs and thermostats, while the stubborn imperialists reused to buy anything that wasn't measured out according to some body part. You may recall extremists in Ottawa driving all the way to Carleton Place, a distance of sixty-three kilometres, to fill up at a service station that still sold gasoline in gallons. But that's all ofver now. Resistance and insistence proved equally futile.

Purists on both sided have lamented the resulting mism-mash, failing to see that what we have now is a system that's uniquely Canadian. By combing the more sensible features of the metric system, or SI (Systeme International d'Unites), with some long-cherished aspects of hte imperial system, we've come up with a seamless hybrid that makes prefect sense to us all. Let's call it simperial. Like franglais and "Progressive Conservatism," simperial is the ideal Canadian comporomise.

For example, the other day I asked directions to an auction sale: "Drive ten kilometres down this road," I was told, "and you'll see a barn about two hundred feet in from the highway." That's simperial. Only in Canada can a river be half a mile wide and thirty metres deep. At building supply yards, you can buy 100 square metres of shingles and a boz of three-quarter inch roofing nails to hold them down. When I ask my daughter, who is fourteen and has been raised metric, how tall she is, she says "Five four." What's the temperature outside? "Plus three." Simperial.

In our quite, peackeeping way, we took the best features from each extreme and consigned the rest to oblivion. Simperial simply makes more sense than either of its two feeder systems. Nobody's feet should be size forty-two anything. But at the same time, zero degrees, not thirty-two, is obviously the temperature at which water should freeze; if anyone knows that, it's us.

After the auction, I stopped at that gas station in Carleton Place. The pump registers gasoline by the litre now, of course, and when I went in to pay, the guy in the booth pointed his chin at my car.

"How is she on gase?" he asked.

"I get 100 kilometres on siz litres," I said, quoting the manual; I had no idea what it meant.

He nodded appreciatively. "That's pretty good mileage."

A Black Falcon
That's funny... :)

EdenMaster
Fittisize, you need to download the song "The Metric System" by Atom and his Package. From the posts you've made, you'll probably be cheering the whole way through.

Sure, the Metric System is easy to use and remember, but it's just like trying to teach an entire nation to speak a different lagnuage. It'd be a tremendous challenge that would take decades and billions of dollars to implement, to replace a system that works perfectly fine as it is.

Ryan pointed out the issue of road signs. That is but a fraction of the costly changes that would need to be made to switch.

I'm also glad that Ryans lack of class has been recognized by the government :).

Ryan
Oh, now it's mid-may, Virginia's roastin' in the 90s, and by God I love it. I'm tanned, burned (my right shoulder is red as a whore's stoplight), and I spend my off-days at the park writing.

I would like to take this opportunity to again thank etoven for selling me that laptop for twenty bones. With the serenity of Rockwood Park and that laptop, I'm writing better than I ever have in my life. I seriously think I have some publishable shit in limbo right now. This is the first time I've had the euphoria of inspiration PLUS the will to keep it running PLUS the means to do so anywhere I want.

And it's thanks to him and that ten year old IBM Thinkpad. God bless you all.

Fittisize
Ya know what, I was just about to make a post saying that the snow from last week melted (the day before it snowed it was 22 degrees, very warm for this time of year), and now the grass is a pleasent browish-green hue.

Great Rumbler
Temps around here are in the mid-to-upper 80's and the skies are clear. The perfect weather if you ask me. Soon it will be time for the pool, but for right now it isn't necessary.