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OB1
Lots are gonna be announced, so let's try to keep most of them in here. Four games revealed:


Metroid Prime Hunters (WOOO!!!!)
DS Picto-Chat
DS Super Mario 4 x 4 (Mario Kart, I think. YAY!)
WarioWare Inc. DS (Hell yeah!!)

OB1
Here's the official DS list (so far):

TBD Animal Crossing DS DS
TBD Mario Kart DS DS
TBD Metroid Prime: Hunters DS
TBD NEW Super Mario Bros. DS
TBD PictoChat DS
TBD Super Mario 64X4 DS
TBD WarioWare Inc. DS DS

Great Rumbler
That's a pretty good list.

Great Rumbler
From Cube-Europe:

The PictoChat is the instant messaging feature that was announced. The bottom screen shows a keyboard and the top screen shows the display. As well as typing messages hand-written ones can be made or even doodles. You can wirelessly link up to sixteen people and send, edit and reply to messages.

Super Mario 64x4 is like a four player version of Mario 64 from the Nintendo 64. In this game all four players compete to get stars. The two screens are divided into a map and a gaming screen. The touch screen allows players to touch the screen and the camera will move to the other player.

In WarioWare Inc. DS Wario runs around causing havoc on the top screen and drops boxes onto the bottom screen, which turn into mini games. You can use the stylus or your fingers to play the mini games, which will take full advantage of the Nintendo DS’s features.

In Metroid Prime: Hunters players can use the wireless technology to connect up to four people. Each player gets a different coloured Samus suit and they must use the touch screen to fire, aim or even turn into a morph ball by simply clicking on it! The title will be similar in look and feel to Metroid Prime.

OB1
Tons of DS screens! Un-fucking-believable!!! If a window pops up the user name is golin and the password is harris (thanks Smoke).

Mario Kart:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-05.jpg
http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-06.jpg
http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_mario-kart/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-07.jpg


Animal Crossing:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-05.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_animal-crossing/051104_animal-crossing-ds_ss-06.jpg

Metroid Prime: Hunters:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-05.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_metroid-prime/051104_metroid-prime-ds_ss-06.jpg


NEW Super Mario Bros.

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_smb/051104_smb-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_smb/051104_smb-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_smb/051104_smb-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_smb/051104_smb-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_smb/051104_smb-ds_ss-05.jpg


Picto Chat:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_picto-chat/051104_picto-chat-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_picto-chat/051104_picto-chat-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_picto-chat/051104_picto-chat-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_picto-chat/051104_picto-chat-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_picto-chat/051104_picto-chat-ds_ss-05.jpg


Mario 64X4:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-05.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-06.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-07.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_sm64x4/051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-08.jpg

Wario Ware Inc. DS:

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_wario-ware/051104_wario-ware-ds_ss-01.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_wario-ware/051104_wario-ware-ds_ss-02.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_wario-ware/051104_wario-ware-ds_ss-03.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_wario-ware/051104_wario-ware-ds_ss-04.jpg http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/games/ds_wario-ware/051104_wario-ware-ds_ss-05.jpg

Great Rumbler
Here's some developer impressions:

“When Nintendo came down and presented the DS platform to us, … I think everyone was in shock. It was amazing. … Our technical and central technology guys were kind of drooling at the abilities and wanting so much to program and dive into programming for the system. … Nintendo DS, I believe, is a revolution in change for hand-held gaming.”
– Will Kassoy, vice president, global brand management, Activision

“The fact that touch panels can be associated with many terms about touching that we never had, such as touch, push, feel, rub, slide and pat is wonderful. … I have been working in this industry for 20 years. During that time I made many games. But I think this is the first time that we have a new input device.”
– Yuji Naka, senior corporate officer, development division, Sega

“DS is deceptively amazing. … Touch screen is a very blank canvas for a game designer to be able to design their own input features. … DS really could be a killer to PSP. … I really think the Nintendo DS could kick the crap out of Sony PSP.”
– Kevin Ray, chief technology officer, Majesco

“I am sure people have nice memory of yelling at a controller. Now, we have a more established function of inputting our voice. … Nintendo always pleasantly surprises us with interesting projects and interesting ideas.”
– Keiji Inafune, producer, Capcom

“Once again Nintendo is taking another leap in the gaming experience for the gamer by providing totally new game-play experiences, developing new gaming habits. Very characteristic of a Nintendo maneuver.”
– Jay Cohen, vice president, publishing, Ubisoft


Awesome!

OB1
Nintendo wasn't just full of BS when they said this would revolutionize portable gaming!

A Black Falcon
http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/index.html

This is the source, BTW. For direct linkage. :)

And yes, the DS seems to have exceeded anyone's expectations... well, except for one thing. OB1, you aren't complaining that the graphics don't match the PSP anymore! Wonder why... :D (maybe because I was right and the other things make that not matter much, perhaps?)

OB1
Actually it's because right now Metroid Hunters looks a whole lot better than Ghost Jr. :) Once we see some better PSP games that will probably change.

Still... the system sounds amazing. And don't act like I was the only skeptical one.

Great Rumbler
It's got Wi-Fi!!

A Black Falcon
No, but you were focused on the graphics as one of the biggest problems, I think...

OB1
Well it will still probably be a problem for Nintendo once Sony shows off their big titles.

A Black Falcon
IGN previews. (not all of them, but many)

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513158p1.html - Pac Pix. Sounds interesting, with a neat use of the touchscreen...

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513157p1.html - Wario Ware DS. All games use the stylus.

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513153p1.html - Metroid. It worked as a four-player multiplayer match... and the stylus is used for shooting, rotation, and some other things...

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513160p1.html - Pac 'n Roll - Marble Madness style...

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513244p1.html - PictoChat. Might end up incorporated into the hardware, which I think would make sense.

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513168p1.html - Sonic demo

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513165p1.html - Pikachu demo - like Hey You, Pikachu... though no voice interaction in this version, just touchscreen.

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513166p1.html - Submarine demo

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513155p1.html - Mario 64 x4

OB1
I can't imagine Nintendo releasing Metroid and Mario as just multiplayer games, so I bet they'll include ports of Mario 64 for M64X4 and possibly a stripped-down port of Prime for Hunters. I hope!

A Black Falcon
I wouldn't want just ports of previous games, OB1...

OB1
You'd rather have nothing?

A Black Falcon
No. I'm sure they'll do something. But I'm also sure that it won't just be ports of previous games... oh, some ports are near-inevitable, but...

If it happens it's much more likely in Mario (though a single-player adventure with multiple characters is probably more likely) since that could easily be done. MP would need a full re-programming so that would be more likely to change. Especially since the DS doesn't allow for as much graphically and they might have to change some parts...

OB1
"doesn't allow for as much graphically"?

A Black Falcon
Metroid on DS cannot exactly replicate Metroid Prime. So they'd have to do a lot of changes to the game to get it onto the system -- it'd be Metroid Prime, N64 Edition. Why go to all that work and just make it a port and not a new game? It'd be stupid!

OB1
Oh well Prime no, but Mario 64 of course. And it'd still be easier to do a watered-down port of Prime than an all-new game, and I don't think Retro has time for it.

OB1
Hey according to gamespot, Mario64X4 will include the full version of Mario 64! YAY!!

Great Rumbler
That's good news, now I can play Mario 64 anywhere I want to! Even on a plane!! Or a submarine! OR EVEN ON THE MOON!!!!

A Black Falcon
... But, Mario 64 with a D-Pad? OB1, you should be screaming in protest, given how you reacted to me saying I played Rogue Squadron and Rayman 2 on D-Pads and didn't mind too much!

...But don't worry. There's a run-walk toggle.

OB1
Oh I think it sucks, but there's no other alternative.

A Black Falcon
Is too! Want to control it with a stylus?

OB1
Well you aim in Prime Hunters with the stylus...

A Black Falcon
True. But it's supposedly somewhat clumsy... and it'd be even worse in a platformer, I bet.

Laser Link
I'm excited about DS, becaus this sound samazing. But I am disapointed that now 2D will completely die out.

OB1
I was just kidding, ABF. But I'm sure they'll get the Prime controls down before launch.

A Black Falcon
I don't know, can you make a FPS with a stylus not be clumsy? It sounds strange...

OB1
I'm sure they can, and will.

Great Rumbler
I'm sure Nintendo thought things threw before they said "Hey lets make a Metroid game where you use a stylus!".

Related news: Retro is NOT developing Metroid Prime: Hunters. So who is?

OB1
Of course they're not developing it, they're too busy with Echoes. I bet it's being developed by one of the newer Nintendo first-parties, like NDCube or something. Or internally at EAD.

OB1
According to a guy at the GA forums, someone from NST at E3 said that they're working on it and when asked if it'll have a single-player mode he "couldn't say", but hinted at it. I hope that's true!

A Black Falcon
NST? Heh, I guessed it might be them... :)

OB1
Strange that Retro didn't know about the game until yesterday though...

Great Rumbler
Secrecy!

OB1
Hey that nintendo user name and password doesn't work anymore...

big guy
hmmm...i think the DS should have a NGPC style click stick...it worked really well for the NGPC, why don't they just do something like that for the DS? it's got all kinds of other cool features...why not give us analogue control? bah...

it amazes me that i could be so impressed by everything it does have and yet feel so jipped on this one aspect.

OB1
I agree, a NGPC-style stick would have been much better.

A Black Falcon
Because Nintendo reeeally loves its cross-pads... :(

Yeah, that, IMO, is easily the biggest flaw with the system. Oh, the touchpad is nice, but it isn't useful for the same things really... and the system doesn't have any other flaws worth mentioning. :)

Great Rumbler
I can't think of any flaws besides that [and that's really only a minor one].

A Black Falcon
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/513/513150p1.html

IGN says "all Gameboy games", so DJ's rumor that it wouldn't work with GB/GBC games is probably just that. But that's what I thought it would be...

And yes, as far as flaws go that one's relatively minor.

OB1
Yay, I can sell my SP!

Though I'll have to make another awesome Zatoichi cover for my DS...

A Black Falcon
Keep your GBA or GBC though, if you have Kirby Tilt n Tumble... :)

OB1
I don't.

A Black Falcon
It was fun, but short and easy...

OB1
I need a GBA or GBC to play it... and I have neither.

A Black Falcon
Well then that's your stupid fault for getting rid of them! :)

OB1
Why would I keep two systems that I'd have to get an external light peripheral for just for one game that I don't care about?

OB1
IGN has two interviews with Miyamoto and co. up, where they talk about the DS and Zelda.

In the DS interview Mario Kart director Hideki Konno says that he's making Metroid Prime Hunters, so EAD is actually creating the game! WOO!! Though it's still strange that Retro didn't know about it.

Dark Jaguar
MY rumor that it wouldn't work with GB or GBC games?! I never said that! You said that to ME and convinced me of it!

A Black Falcon
A GBC is also useful for Bionic Commando if you have one of the buggy copies that works correctly in a GBC but not in a GBA, like mine. :)

And DJ, um, weren't you the one who said that rumor? I don't think I've seen it anywhere else, actually...

Great Rumbler
In the DS interview Mario Kart director Hideki Konno says that he's making Metroid Prime Hunters, so EAD is actually creating the game! WOO!! Though it's still strange that Retro didn't know about it.

I'd heard that it was NST making Hunters, though that could be true and still have Konno as the director.

A Black Falcon
Yeah, IGN said that they confirmed that NST was making it, I thought...

OB1
I only heard that was speculation.

Great Rumbler
Cube-Europe:

It seems the company behind Metroid Prime: Hunters is none other than NST, the guys behind the incredible Wave Race.

They seem pretty sure that NST is the developer.

OB1
Where did they get their info from? I hope that's correct though since a reliable guy at the IGN boards said that someone from NST hinted at a single-player mode for the game.

Great Rumbler
I don't know where they got that from.

OB1
Well....


http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/luketabor/reggie.jpg

A Black Falcon
That pic's great... :)

OB1
Did you watch the conference? It was great to see a Nintendo marketing head who doesn't hesitate to trash talk the competition. :) He got on the job in December 2003, so maybe Nintendo's marketing will improve.

Great Rumbler
Reggie casts "Trash the Competion".

Like I said, Reggie is awesome.

OB1
http://students.washington.edu/rsluman/Party2.mov

Smoke-X
Hey that nintendo user name and password doesn't work anymore...
It still works for me. :/

OB1
Yeah it's fine for me now.

A Black Falcon
It wasn't working for a while, but fixed itsself. :)

Dark Jaguar
ABF, about that rumor.

NO! I said "does it play GBA games?". Someone either told me or directed me to a link that said, not as a rumor, but as a fact, that it only will play GBA games but not GBC or GB games. I made the mistake of believing it. Anyway, not sure why you thought I came up with it. I'd never assume they would do that.

A Black Falcon
I did see one place say that since that post... so I'll say that I don't know. I did see some places say it would play GB/C games, but not in a form that directly refuted this rumor... so it could be either way. But I think leaving it out would be really stupid.

Sacred Jellybean
Yeah, it'd make no sense to leave that out. I'd be pissed at Nintendo if they snubbed the GB/C.

Well, maybe not, because I'm buying that neat little NES GBA SP anyway.

Dark Jaguar
Yes it would be, and honestly I don't even consider it an option any more. It was just stated as a straight fact at a link I was given during the chat. I need to raise the sensitivity of my myth radar again...

Anyway, aside from that, I do hope that PURELY for the sake of full backwards compatibility, they add in SGB support. I've mentioned it many times before, and likely will continue to, but I still really wish they'd add it in there.

A Black Falcon
SGB support? But this screen isn't the same resolution as a SNES screen... and anyway they'd never do it. Sorry.