View Thread : Final DS design, name


OB1
From IGN: (http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/534/534070p1.html)

July 28, 2022 - Nintendo this morning revealed that the Nintendo DS, the company's upcoming dual-screen handheld system set for release at the end of this year in the US and Japan, will retain the codename as its official name. The company also revealed the system's newer design that's been sleeked up since its debut at this year's Electronic Entertainment Expo two months ago.

The retooled Nintendo DS features a thinner, black base and an angular platinum flip-top cover. The face buttons and shoulder buttons are larger, and some have been reconfigured for optimum use. The unit includes a new storage slot for the touch screen's stylus, and the speakers now broadcast in stereo sound, with or without headphones.

Software companies worldwide have more than 120 Nintendo DS games in development. Nintendo alone is developing more than 20 titles, and in excess of 100 companies have signed on to create games for the new system. The company is expected to announce the launch date, price, and game line-up in the near future.

"The Nintendo DS will change the future of hand-held gaming," says Satoru Iwata, president of Nintendo Co., Ltd. "Dual screens, chat functions, a touch screen, wireless capabilities, voice recognition - these abilities surpass anything attempted before, and consumers will benefit from the creativity and innovation the new features bring to the world of video games."

-- Craig Harris


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Haha, I love it how when it the was first announced and during this year's E3, Nintendo was quick to say that the DS wouldn't be the final name. :D

This looks [i]much nicer than before. Very sleek now.

For comparison's sake, here's the old version of the DS. Quite a difference, eh?

http://pocketmedia.ign.com/pocket/image/article/516/516016/e3-2004-everything-ds-20040514082151544.jpg

I'm dissapointed that there's no analog pad like the PSP, as part of me was still hoping that Nintendo would add it to the final design. I wonder how Mario 64 is going to work with an SNES control setup. :hmm: And I'm not sure I like the power button being so close to the dpad.

A Black Falcon
Picture's a bit large... :)

Yeah, that is a huge advance over the one at E3. Much, much better looking... great!

The only flaws I can think of are the lack of analog and how it seems like it'll only support GBA games, not GB or GBC.

Great Rumbler
The new design does look a lot better. Very sleek and sexy!

includes a new storage slot for the touch screen's stylus

That was one of the things I was worried about since the E3 version didn't seem to have one.

Nintendo was quick to say that the DS wouldn't be the final name.

Nintendo Dev. #1: I know we said that "DS" wouldn't be the final name but...I can't think of anything better than that.

Nintendo Dev. #2: Let's just call it that then.

Nintendo Dev. #1: Okay.

and the speakers now broadcast in stereo sound

That's going to make a lot of people happy, I think.

I like the button layout on this version better than the one at E3. On the E3 version they looked kind of flat, but on this version they looked like they've been raised up a bit as well the Select/Start buttons appear easier to use. Also, the D-Pad looks better too.

A Black Falcon
Yeah, it does look like they raised the d-pad and buttons. Good move, I agree that they looked flat... and I didn't even think of a storage place for the stylus at E3 but of course it should have one. Good thing they thought of it. :)

Great Rumbler
Good thing they thought of it.

I imagine a lot of people are still going to lose it though. Maybe Nintendo could sell a stylus serperately or like different stylus designs if you don't like the one that comes with the DS.

OB1
Or have a metal chain connecting it to the unit. :D

You know, for all that Nintendo cares about controls and everything, not having an analog stick or nub for a 3D console is very poor judgement.

But overall the system looks great. Even better than the PSP, I'd say (design-wise)!

OB1
Eegads! http://www.nrg.to/nintendo/news/july/july2804DS.html

Great Rumbler
But overall the system looks great. Even better than the PSP, I'd say (design-wise)![/qoute]

Yes, it's a very good design and the flip-top unsures that the LCD displays remain scratch-free.

[quote]Eegads! http://www.nrg.to/nintendo/news/july/july2804DS.html

They should tie that in somehow. Like packing in a Lambourghini Contach with every DS. I'd buy it.

OB1
As would I!

A Black Falcon
Yes, a cover for the screen(s) is a great idea. My GB screens keep getting scratched and a cover built into the system is a very good idea (that they first put into the SP)...

Hmm, stereo sound. But haven't they always said that that wouldn't work because stereo doesn't sound much like stereo when the speakers are that close and that small? Strange... I guess it'll help some though.

As for the controls... it's like a PC. Analog control and digital buttons... :D ... okay, it's more like a PDA...

A Black Falcon
It's just a deceptive camera angle, not higher buttons.

http://www.nintendorks.com/chris/archives/ds_comparison.jpg

Oh, Nintendorks' version of the press release also says that a headphone port was added too...

Great Rumbler
Hmm, stereo sound. But haven't they always said that that wouldn't work because stereo doesn't sound much like stereo when the speakers are that close and that small? Strange... I guess it'll help some though.

I'm pretty sure one of the complaints about the DS was that it didn't have stereo speakers.

My GB screens keep getting scratched

Mine too. It's scratched very badly.

OB1
The prototype didn't have any speakers.

A Black Falcon
The one at E3 had one speaker. :)

Mine too. It's scratched very badly.

My GBC screen is horribly, horribly scratched. My GBA has gained some despite my efforts to protect it. More during our last vacation... as for original GBs, they seemed to do better. They're somewhat scratched, but not as badly as the GBC is...

I'm pretty sure one of the complaints about the DS was that it didn't have stereo speakers.

Yeah, but Nintendo's reason why this (and the GBA, and the SP) didn't have one was because in such a device stereo didn't matter much...

EdenMaster
Man, that is one SEXY machine! I can't wait to get my hands on one.

Do we know yet when it will launch? Around Thanksgiving if Nintendo has any brains whatsoever, but I don't think we have much to worry about. An awesome gadget with the Nintendo name will fly off store shelves come Christmas.

Nintendo's had the handheld market under their thumb for over a decade, and this will be another fine installment. The PSP is going to be a funny little footnote in gaming history, under the chapter "Nintendo handheld triumphs again"!

Dark Jaguar
Perhaps, but anyway here's my thoughts from this.

That comparison pic shows that this thing is curvy. It actually looks like a modern gaming system, as opposed to a cheap Turkish knockoff like the prototype :D.

With a compartment for the stylus pen, I hope they give room enough to keep my headphones in there.

Two speakers seems a little... silly. I know people complained about it, but really, my ears are further apart from each other than these speakers are from each other. That combined with the (admittedly small, but still significant) distance most people will hold it from basically means the time delay between hearing each speaker will be too small to really hear it in stereo. It's like they actually spent money on this design to just shut people up. I dunno, the headset has always sounded better anyway, plus I don't want to be bothering people around me when I play.

That start and select button placement is a tad awkward. They seems as hard to reach as the XBox controller's white and black buttons (on the original large version). Those were usually awkward to use. Problem is, now I can't be pressing the main action buttons while using select or start for something too, at least not without doing that trick where you put your index finger up there with the action buttons. I know this is the final design, but I kinda wish they placed those buttons in SOMEWHAT more accesible positions, like under the main action buttons. Oh well, I'll get used to it.

A Black Falcon
It's like they actually spent money on this design to just shut people up

That is exactly what I think they did.



That comparison pic shows that this thing is curvy. It actually looks like a modern gaming system, as opposed to a cheap Turkish knockoff like the prototype .


Yup! :)

And start and select... yeah, it isn't the best place ever, but they had to put them somewhere. They aren't exactly easy to use on the GBA either you know... it's easier in the GB/C/SP, somewhat, because of the vertical orientation, but in a horizontally oriented console this will always be a problem.

OB1
I don't see a speaker in this pic (the old one): http://www.nintendorks.com/chris/archives/ds_comparison.jpg

Two speakers is great for the system; stereo speakers do not need to be five feet apart in order for them to be effective. There's a reason why small stereos have two speakers. Seperating the two audio channels into two speakers will make a good deal of difference. Using one speaker for two-channel sound is the equivalent of squeezing mustard and ketchup out of one tube, mixed together. It will make a difference, believe me.

Yeah, but Nintendo's reason why this (and the GBA, and the SP) didn't have one was because in such a device stereo didn't matter much...

That's nonsense, GBA games sound great coming out of two speakers.

EdenMaster
I bet the speakers were in the black portion of the prototype DS,a nd you just can't see them in the picture.

Mono sound is crap. It doesn't matter if you're in a movie theater or holding a little game in your hand, stereo is important. There's just more ability, you can od more with two speakers, as opposed to playing everything through one, central speakers.

Say, for instance you're playing Metroid on the DS, perhaps you could hear a sound from one side of you that could alert you to the presence of a Space Pirate about to vaporize you. It would work even better with headphones.

A Black Falcon
Mono sound is crap. It doesn't matter if you're in a movie theater or holding a little game in your hand, stereo is important. There's just more ability, you can od more with two speakers, as opposed to playing everything through one, central speakers.

Exactly the kind of sentiment that got them to waste their money on two speakers on a system where you really can't tell the difference without headphones (which, it must be said, have provided Gameboy's with stereo sound all the way back)... :)

EdenMaster
Exactly the kind of sentiment that got them to waste their money on two speakers on a system where you really can't tell the difference without headphones (which, it must be said, have provided Gameboy's with stereo sound all the way back)... :)

Ah yes, I can imagine the boardroom meeting on that one.

"Can we, a multi-billion dollar company, possibly afford to stick one extra tiny speaker into our newest game system? Since we are, after all, trying to defeat a true competitor from Sony."

I seriously doubt it broke Nintendo's bank to throw in two speakers rather than one. Was it insignificant? No. Was it eartshatteringly expensive? Also, no. It's a minor improvement that WILL make a difference. If you ask me, the waste of money was programming a select button! WHAT THE HELL IS IT EVER USED FOR ANYMORE!?

A Black Falcon
As another button for games that use all the others, of course! :)

OB1
*sigh*

Stereo sound is not only effective with headphones, and it doesn't matter how far away the two speakers are, unless each one is right next to your ear. The point of stereo sound is to seperate two channels. Two channels from one speaker completely defeat the purpose of stereo sound. Again, even when the two speakers are right close to each other, the sound quality greatly improves over mono sound.

Don't make me repeat myself, boy!

bountyhunter
Sorry guys, I understand the arguement when it comes to the systems speakers but the seccond I get home you can bet your high dollar that I'm hooking my DS up to my rooms sound system, duel 12 inch woofers in a hand held, yes please.

Not to mention, if it's stereo I'd like to listen to mp3's on it too ^_^
Althought that might not be a possibility maybe some company will bring out a rewritable cart package that lets you put mp3's on it.. fun!

EdenMaster
b...bountyhunter? It's been so long I hardly recognize you, buddy!

Dark Jaguar
I happen to play a lot of games that use select. Taking it away is a really stupid idea. It's used for all sorts of "off" stuff and honestly, backwards compatibility sorta demands it's existance.

Nick Burns
Am I the only one that noticed the microphone initials (mic) and the light. I wonder what that is for?

A Black Falcon
How do you attach a stereo system to a headphone jack? :)

Dark Jaguar
Using the stereo system's input jack.

bountyhunter
Easy, it's all through the cunning use of adapters and male to make plugs, my entertainment system has a mic inpute, so all you need is a male to male plug and you can put the headphone jack to the mic jack in the sound system (you also need an adapter to turn the 2.5 ml jack into a 5ml jack, I think those are the measurements)

But yeah, I do it all the time with my computer.

Also the start and select buttons could be used as just extra action buttons in some games so I can understand them being placed there.

A Black Falcon
NBA Jam TE for GB used Start for Turbo, so Select was Pause...

And yeah, you would need a stereo with headphone out to plug it into a PC, wouldn't you...

OB1
Hmm, I wonder if Nintendo will start putting in optional DS controls for their SNES-GBA ports, so that we can control them like actual SNES games once we get a DS. That'd be great, especially if they port over Super Metroid.

bountyhunter
Hideki Konno: Two of them. Wireless capabilities is extremely promising, and we'll be able to do a lot more features with it in the future than what you've seen here. I like the idea that someone with a DS can wander into an area with other DS system and automatically send over a copy of a game to that system for multiplayer. The voice recognition is another feature that we didn't have time to expand on and show off at E3.

This was in an interview on IGN with two of the software developers for the DS, the full article can be read here (http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/514/514177p1.html).

I'm pretty sure you guys have already read it or some thing but the point I am trying to show is that one of the things that IGN wanted to see on the PSP is being done on the DS and I can't help but feel the DS is going to bring out a new side to multiplayer that not even I could have imagined, for me thats a little exciting I don't know about you guys, but the idea of being able to walk into a room and see two people playing a multiplayer game then turning on my own DS and joining in on it even without the said game then whuping some ass without them even knowing who the other person is, it's kinda cool if you ask me and it's sure to make those long train rides seem a little shorter, of course I am tempted to try and play it while driving my car but I don't think there is any thing you can tell a police officer when your seen swerving from side to side.

(I tend to find the excuse that I was drunk doesn't work well with them either so don't bother)

Great Rumbler
The DS is going to have a lot of multiplayer capabilities, it'll be interesting to see what developers do with all this new technology.

OB1
But are the early games going to use wi-fi online play? Nintendo's comments regarding "no internet" still aren't clear to me, and I'm beginning to worry that we won't be seeing any online gaming from Nintendo, at least with the first batch of titles. I want Animal Crossing online, dammit. :(

Lord Shockwave
It looks like another winner and reminds of my old Donkey Kong Game & Watch I still have since I was 5 years old. Let's just hope it has good battery life and the option for either traditional batteries or the GBASP model of recharging batteries.

A Black Falcon
Hmm, I wonder if Nintendo will start putting in optional DS controls for their SNES-GBA ports, so that we can control them like actual SNES games once we get a DS. That'd be great, especially if they port over Super Metroid.

I don't know if that's possible though... I guess they could, but I'd bet against it happening. Sorry.

It looks like another winner and reminds of my old Donkey Kong Game & Watch I still have since I was 5 years old. Let's just hope it has good battery life and the option for either traditional batteries or the GBASP model of recharging batteries.


I think it'll just have SP-style recharging, unfortunately...

But are the early games going to use wi-fi online play? Nintendo's comments regarding "no internet" still aren't clear to me, and I'm beginning to worry that we won't be seeing any online gaming from Nintendo, at least with the first batch of titles. I want Animal Crossing online, dammit.

Yeah, with Nintendo's clear position on online games, I'd be surprised to see much of anything from them on the DS... in-room wireless multiplay, yes. But internet? Don't bet on it.

Great Rumbler
I think it'll just have SP-style recharging, unfortunately...

Rechargeable batteries are fine with me as long as they last a long time.

But internet? Don't bet on it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that at it's release the DS will have at least one Wi-Fi enabled game from Nintendo. I think they'll do it since, basically, it's the same principle as across-the-room-wireless only over a greater distance.

EdenMaster
I think it'll just have SP-style recharging, unfortunately...

What do you mean "unfortunately"? Having a rechargable battery is WAY better than having to buy and change batteries all the time. In my opinion, adding the rechargable battery to the SP was almost as big an improvement as the lit screen.

What? You like buying batteries all the time?

Great Rumbler
Apparently he does. I don't know why.

OB1
It's because the weirdo gets all of his batteries from his mommy, so he doesn't have to pay for them. ... Don't ask, he's friggin' ABF.

And why would Nintendo neglect online gaming when the DS has Wi-Fi support (whose main purpose is to play games wirelessly over the internet), and one of their big points during the E3 press conference was "coast-to-coast wifi online". But their recent anti-internet comments contradict that. I'm just so damn confused.

EdenMaster
Don't ask, he's friggin' ABF.

That is the best line ever :)

OB1
:D

A Black Falcon
What do you mean "unfortunately"? Having a rechargable battery is WAY better than having to buy and change batteries all the time. In my opinion, adding the rechargable battery to the SP was almost as big an improvement as the lit screen.

What? You like buying batteries all the time?

I've said it before. Having both choices is much better. I guess you forgot my (quite good) example: a trip. Where you are away from power for long amounts of time. Now with a power-recharged thing, you're stuck. With batteries, it's easy... stop at any gas station...


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that at it's release the DS will have at least one Wi-Fi enabled game from Nintendo. I think they'll do it since, basically, it's the same principle as across-the-room-wireless only over a greater distance.

Possibly, but I'm not too hopeful, with what Nintendo says about online.

bountyhunter
It wouldn't matter, thanks to nintendo using wireless it wouldn't be too hard to program your own internet playing DS, bassically the hardest thing would be to understand what the hell the signals coming from the 802.11g wireless adapter is, but I'm assuming it's just normal packets of data, and thats pretty easy to pick up and send over then net, then you just get another 802.11g adapter in your friends computer with the same said program sending out the packets it recieves, and fun is there to be had, to tell you the truth I'd say give it a month or two max and the average person will make something to allow us all to play multiplayer, some thing similar to the MTA:vice idea.

If some one doesn't do it I'm willing to take on the challenge.

OB1
Ever heard of a car adapter before, ABF? Or another battery pack? :rolleyes:

A Black Falcon
And I'm sure that they will sell those to help with this, but it'd still be easier to just switch batteries. And it's not like the battery packs last any longer... if they did that'd be an arguement for them, but they seem to be just about the same as far as I can tell.

Great Rumbler
Where you are away from power for long amounts of time. Now with a power-recharged thing, you're stuck. With batteries, it's easy... stop at any gas station...

That's not a problem if you stay in a hotel like most normal people do.

Or another battery pack?

You won't even need an extra battery pack if the battery life is more than 10 hours, which it's likely the DS will be.

A Black Falcon
That's not a problem if you stay in a hotel like most normal people do.

Car trips (need a car adaptor!)? Camping? Beach? Somewhere else away from a outlet? Come on, it isn't too hard to think of how having a battery option is good...

Private Hudson
What kind of idiot goes to the beach just to play videogames?

Dark Jaguar
The kind that is just sorta forced to accompany people and didn't really want to go there to begin with, but doesn't want to be bored. Personally, I don't find swimming that amusing, most of the time, unless the water is doing crazy things. Lemme tell you something. Lakes in Oklahoma are filthly stinking bilge holes. They get no fresh water aside from rain, and everyone throws their garbage in there. The water is BLACK, well close anyway. They are NOT meant for fishing, mush less swimming, certainly not drinking. Lemme tell you, if you see a dirty diaper floating on the water's surface, and multiple times, in a closed lake, time to find a new swimming hole. Still, sometimes I get dragged along with my family to these places. I'll tell you this, there have been a few times where, upon returning, the entire group that went, excepting me, got horribly sick. Now of course that alone doesn't PROVE it's unhealthy, but I have enough evidence of how a closed system holding human waste can make someone sick that I'm fairly certain that's the case.

A Black Falcon
... I play Game Boy quite a bit when we go on beach vacations... which is every summer... :)

I don't hate beach (and I mean on the ocean, not lakes... we don't go to lakes for vacation) vacations, but you can only be in the water for so long (even taking it for granted that you went somewhere with relatively warm water)... and I don't love swimming. Being in the water is dull unless other people are there too do do things with (our yearly vacations are always with some relatives, but even so...). I don't love swimming. And really, you don't SWIM much in the ocean. You stand in the water and stuff, but don't swim that much unless there are no waves, I'd say.

As for lakes, I got sick once after swimming in a lake in Europe in our trip when I was eight. And I haven't swam in a lake since, I believe. :D

And I mention camping because we also do that with relative frequency. Maybe other people here don't, but we have and you sometimes don't have any power around except the car... tent camping. Not a trailer.

A car adapter would be an absolute necessity for vacations, for sure, for anything that drained batteries fast or didn't use normal batteries. I know that my Game Boy was always a great thing to have on the vacations we took after I got it... got a lot of playtime out of car trips and stuff on them...

EdenMaster
I can't imagine a trip lasting more than the battery life on a fully charged GBA SP. I played mine through most of the plane trip to and back from Las Vegas, and a bit at nighttime before bed, and I never even got to the red light. You must really play it a lot.

A Black Falcon
Well, what if it's a weeklong vacation and you're camping? You'll only have power if you have a car adaptor...

Or how about several weeks camping most nights? We did that once, in our trip out west... didn't have a GB yet though. But I know that for whenever mom hears the Kirby Pinball music she thinks of our Virginia trip. :D

Yes, it lasts long enough that most of the time it won't run out before you get to a place where you can charge it. But in some special circumstances I see a definite advantage for batteries. It'd be nice to have the choice of either... or both... :)

Oh yeah, and what about other parts of the world? I'd need to get a European AC adaptor if I go to Europe!

Private Hudson
DJ, I feel sorry for you.

Personally, I don't g o to the beach unless I want to, so the idea of bringing a GameBoy there just comes across as unsociable, and a waste of going to said beach.

I'm sorry your family tortures you so. :(

I never play my portables when I go on vacations because I go on vacation to do things other than what I would normally do at home. I go with friends, family or anyone else who I might actually hold a conversation with. Car trips for me are rarely long enough, nor disinteresting enough to warrent bringing something I can do at any other time I chose.

Plus I hate trying to play games, read books, watch movies, etc. etc. while people are talking/interrupting me! :screwy:

Dark Jaguar
Interesting, but then again when you go to the beach don't you have to deal with rabid shark and koala attacks, and then some really cool though insane fellow suddenly shows up and tackles them out of nowhere?

You, you ARE the person from Australia right?

bountyhunter
*sighs*
I remember the first time I went to the beach and got attacked by a raving Koala in heat trying to defend it's freak of nature chidlren after mating with a platypus the year before... and my first time was with a chick, she was pretty awesome albeit insane, but she sure knew how to wrestle wildlife.

There are some huge misconceptions about australia, the biggest one I can think of is that every one has a kangaroo as a pet, this isn't true, I myself have two dogs and alot of people living in near the cities don't have the room so they get cats or dogs, so we aren't that different to america in that respect, although it's a well known fact that Kangaroo's do make better pets then cats or dogs, but I'm just biased because I'm aussie.

A Black Falcon
Yes, yes he is. :)

Dark Jaguar
Biggest misconception? I'd say a huge misconception is that we actually THINK something like that. I'll let you in on something, we know! We all KNOW you don't have kangaroos and crocs and koalas as pets! But that doesn't mean we aren't going to totally make you think we DO think that :D. Ya know, generally any country you go to has NO idea what other countries REALLY make fun of it for. You know England? They think Americans don't like them because the English are too crude! Idiots! We make fun of them for being PRUDES! The opposite! Watch any english stereotype on American TV! They aren't the fat people drinking and shouting "woo". They are the cruller eating pipe smoking proper gentlemen with the upstanding high class accent that english people have struggling to be as "down" as we are.

Likewise, we like making fun of Aussies for their wildlife not because we actually think they are like that, but because we know Aussies get upset about it and that is highly amusing to us :D.

bountyhunter
My uncle has a kangaroo.. He actually has two.
And he drinks beer all day, he is to me the typical aussie.

Until he goes on his computer, then he becomes a killer at first person shooters..

Also a typical aussie thing.

Great Rumbler
I don't hate beach (and I mean on the ocean, not lakes... we don't go to lakes for vacation) vacations, but you can only be in the water for so long (even taking it for granted that you went somewhere with relatively warm water)... and I don't love swimming. Being in the water is dull unless other people are there too do do things with (our yearly vacations are always with some relatives, but even so...). I don't love swimming. And really, you don't SWIM much in the ocean. You stand in the water and stuff, but don't swim that much unless there are no waves, I'd say.

I went to the beach before [Hunting Island, South Caronlina] and we stayed at my relatives' house. With electricity. And electrical sockets. For charging batteries. Anyway, I really loved playing around on the beach and floating around in the ocean while I got tossed around by the waves. It's probably because it was the first time I'd ever been to the ocean and because the biggest body of water you see in southern Oklahoma is a really shallow river and sometimes a lake.

OB1
What kind of idiot goes to the beach just to play videogames?


Hahaha, best post ever. My thoughts exactly. ABF's argument is that with rechargeable batteries it's difficult to play a GBA for hours on end while at the beach or camping in the mountains. What a tool.

Great Rumbler
*pictures ABF in a tent out in the woods while it's pouring down rain cursing his SP's rechargable battery*

OB1
Or most likely when it's even nice and sunny outside.

Great Rumbler
Didn't ABF say that he hates to do anything outside?

Dark Jaguar
What IS there to do out there anyway? I've never really got the point of camping. There's just nothing out there except the heat. I guess some people like it, but I don't. If the outdoors was covered and had air conditioning, and had computers all over it, then I'd be more likely to go out there. As it is, I don't like getting sunburned.

Great Rumbler
People do it to get in touch with nature...something like that. If I want to get in touch with nature I'll walk down a hiking trail and then after that I'll go inside a nice, cool hotel room and rest for a while.

Dark Jaguar
Exactly, besides I get all the nature I need tweaking with my computer. If you think there's a contradiction there, you just aren't thinking hard enough.

A Black Falcon
*pictures ABF in a tent out in the woods while it's pouring down rain cursing his SP's rechargable battery*

Being in a tent in a rainstorm is quite unpleasant... :)

I went to the beach before [Hunting Island, South Caronlina] and we stayed at my relatives' house. With electricity. And electrical sockets. For charging batteries. Anyway, I really loved playing around on the beach and floating around in the ocean while I got tossed around by the waves. It's probably because it was the first time I'd ever been to the ocean and because the biggest body of water you see in southern Oklahoma is a really shallow river and sometimes a lake.

Our family has had a yearly summer beach vacation almost every year since my mom was little... it always used to be to Cape Cod, but about five years ago we switched to Chincoteague, Virginia. I loved Cape Cod... it was our family, the families of both of my moms' siblings, and my grandparents. And some other relatives visited. Two weeks each summer. :) Being in the ocean is fun when I have someone to play in the water with... generally my little cousin. So I don't hate beaches. But I still like to play gameboy on them sometimes. I know that in our week of beach vacation this year I got quite a bit of playtime... had to change the batteries. :)

Reading books is another great thing to do on the beach.

Outside... sure, I don't do anything outside on my own volition, and I do not exactly do much outside. But I obviously do some... for instance, at school it's like a 10-15 minuite walk to class... that fact meant a lot more walking than I used to do, so instead of (like is typical) gaining 15 pounds in my first year of college, I lost 15 pounds. :) Anyway, our family has often done things outside. Camping? Not every year, but frequently. We camped a lot in several of our vacations over the years and for some years we spent Labor Day weekend camping with our relatives...

I also do like to cross-country ski. We generally have a ski weekend vacation sometime in February or March... I just do cross country. Never been downhill skiing.

Hiking... once in a while. Not long distance or anything, but it can be nice once in a while... as long as it isn't too hot. Same with biking. I wouldn't want to do it when it's in the mid 80s out! When it's that hot I want to be inside with the fan on. :) Hiking is best in fall, really. Though summer can be cool too plenty of the time... not now, though. For Maine mid 80s with a lot of humidity is defintely not normal... luckily...

OB1
Good grief, you guys are the reasons why gamers are made fun of so much. Hate the indoors, spend most of your time in front of a computer, probably smell real bad...

A Black Falcon
If you're here, you don't have that much of a leg to stand on... :)

OB1
Hey I'm a total dork, but I don't spend most of my free time inside in front of a monitor. Outside really does live up to the hype, believe it or not. :p