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Great Rumbler
Despite the fact that my computer is an old relic that barely fit the minimum system requirements I've managed to log in about an hour of Doom 3. Doom 3 to put it one way is Half-Life on steriods. It has that feel to it, seemingly random scripted mini-events are everywhere [box falling when a platform collapses, an imp bust through a staircase as you attempt to climb it, ect] and it looks very good even with all the settings turned down to the bare minimum.

Doom 3 is fun. Crazy fun. And, although I'm not really a good person to judge this, very scary. After things go bad there are a lot of areas that have poor lighting with many parts of the room in total darkness and as we all know that's where scary things like to lurk. And they do. But sometimes they don't. Sometimes you think there's something hiding in the darkness but it turns out it's only a barrel or a dead body. Except it's not quite dead. You have a flashlight but you can't use a gun at the same time, so you have to decide which is more important at that particular time. Also there's all sorts of noises that might be a monster hiding somewhere waiting to jump out from behind a grate or it could just be the building shifting from slight tremors. It has a very moody atmosphere that'll keep you one edge and I guarantee that you'll jump when that imp comes out of the stairs.

The graphics are amazing, the best I've seen and that's with all the settings turned down. Even turned down the framefrate is a bit choppy, but it's decent enough to play. Nearly everything casts a shadow and the lighting is simply amazing. There's also lots of bumpmapping. The character models are very well done as are the monsters; the lip-syncing is also very realistic.

In conclusion, Doom 3 is crazy-awesome so don't listen to all those haters.

A Black Falcon
Like OB1, perhaps? :)

I'm not getting it. Never planned to, nothing I've seen changes my mind. Notwithstanding the fact that it won't run on my PC, even if it did I still wouldn't be buying it.

Great Rumbler
Like OB1, perhaps?

OB1's had a lapse of sanity if he doesn't think Doom 3 is an awesome game. Maybe after he plays the full, completed version he'll think differently.

Notwithstanding the fact that it won't run on my PC

It barely runs on mine. :)

I'm not getting it. Never planned to, nothing I've seen changes my mind.

You're missing out, definitely. To be truthful I didn't buy it either, my brother did. Thank goodness for No-CD cracks. ;)

A Black Falcon
OB1's had a lapse of sanity if he doesn't think Doom 3 is an awesome game. Maybe after he plays the full, completed version he'll think differently.

He seems to have acquired a version somehow, posted a screenshot in that other Doom 3 thread... complaining about what Asians look like in the game...

It barely runs on mine.

No, no, isn't it only compatible with WinXP (and maybe 2000)?


You're missing out, definitely. To be truthful I didn't buy it either, my brother did. Thank goodness for No-CD cracks.

"Buy" it? :) Oh, you just mean to avoid needing a CD in I'm sure... :)

But I really don't have interest in downloading it. I never downloaded that leak from E3 or whatever, for instance. Didn't really care enough. Same here. I'm not a big FPS fan you know... and if I was to get one it'd be either Jedi Knight II or Jedi Academy. And if I had both of those, Star Trek Elite Force 2. :)

Great Rumbler
No, no, isn't it only compatible with WinXP (and maybe 2000)?

I haven't heard anything about that, but it's possible.

Dark Jaguar
Penny Arcade has had an about face it seems. Apparently the game in motion is a lot better than single shots. I just bet that's what PA is saying though. I don't care how much the skin is suddenly sagging and moist on upside down spider heads.

I'll play the demo when it comes out (they invented shareware, they better make a demo), and then I'll decide. From what I'm hearing, I'll apparently change my mind, but we'll see. Technology and demons, mixed well, are cool and all, but putting rocket packs on a skeleton's shoulders is NOT a creative mixing, or even good art. Dr. Wily wouldn't even do something that cheesy, well, maybe that's giving Wily too much credit...

A Black Falcon
First, that's giving Wily way too much credit. He put a fan in a robot's chest, among many other things... :)

I haven't heard anything about that, but it's possible.

I have. You could look on the box and make sure, but I've seen that mentioned on the net...

Yes, it looks like a very good FPS. But if I got a FPS I'd usually rather it be one about something I'm already interested in, like Star Wars...

Great Rumbler
It's like they combined the gameplay of Half-Life with the moody atmosphere of Silent Hill with the cheap thrills of Resident Evil. I would be playing it right now but it's too dark...

Dark Jaguar
... Play it anyway, then drive your car into a padded room and watch all the people in the asylum slowly surround you.

A Black Falcon
It's supposed to be really dark, GR. You have to turn out all the lights to see the screen, you see... :) ... seriously, I haven't seen any non-super-dark screenshots yet...

Gamespot review. 8.5.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/review.html

Dark Jaguar
... I think he meant it's too dark outside, as in it's too scary... Is that right GR? ... GR?

A Black Falcon
He's gone, hiding under the bed...

Great Rumbler
I hate those imps. They'll jump out at you and attack you and then when you go around a corner and wait for them to come at you so you can blast 'em with the shotgun they go back into hiding!!

UltraMarioMan
I have no intrest in Doom 3. I admit it I'm a Half-Life nut.

Great Rumbler
None of you guys are going to buy Doom 3? What's wrong with you people?! Have you all gone mad?!

OB1
OB1's had a lapse of sanity if he doesn't think Doom 3 is an awesome game. Maybe after he plays the full, completed version he'll think differently.



I have the full, completed version of the game, and as soon as I can get this buggy piece of shit to stop freezing on me every five fucking minutes I'll get to see if it's any good. I can't believe id let this go gold with so many problems (and before you say "it's your computer", it's not, because message boards all over the place are flooded with complaints about lock-ups, sound problems, and other various bugs).

Great Rumbler
It's been running perfectly for me; no glitches, freezes, nothing.

Dark Jaguar
I MIGHT buy it if I like the demo that they SHOULD be releasing soon enough...

OB1
It's been running perfectly for me; no glitches, freezes, nothing.

Like I said, for some people they've been lucky, but for most people they've experienced all sorts of bugs.

Great Rumbler
Old, busted computers = 1
Fancy, alienware computers = -2

OB1
I don't have an alienware, it's a custom-built PC. :)

I get these kinds of glitches all of the time:

http://tcforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=912&stc=1

OB1
Well I've been playing more Doom 3. Haven't played for more than an hour, but so far it's okay. I laughed when the first flaming skull came at me. It was just so lame! Come on GR, don't tell me you that scared you. :p

The game is okay, about what I expected. Hopefully it gets much better.

Great Rumbler
I laughed when the first flaming skull came at me. It was just so lame! Come on GR, don't tell me you that scared you.

Haha, no I don't think that part got me, but when that freaking imp came out of the stairs I jumped several feet. :D

I absolutely hate this game! There's dark corners everywhere!! And when faced with two directions it hard to decide which one is monster-free. I really hate those imps too, especially when you have to fight them in the dark!

Now I'm trying to get my dad to play, but he's not very good. :)

Hopefully it gets much better.

According to some the middle part is kind of repetitive but the ending more than makes up for any shortcomings.

OB1
Please tell me the story isn't just about some scientists opening the portal to hell or something uber lame like that.

Dark Jaguar
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

Great Rumbler
Please tell me the story isn't just about some scientists opening the portal to hell or something uber lame like that.

I don't know about that, but apparently you actually have to go TO Hell to fight demons near the end.

OB1
Well that's kind of neat.

And DJ, I tried using that driver yesterday and it screwed up a bunch of stuff. Last time I use a beta patch. Thanks anyway.

Great Rumbler
They do tell you to use it at your own risk.

OB1
Yeah.

A Black Falcon
Please tell me the story isn't just about some scientists opening the portal to hell or something uber lame like that.

They are doing experiments, OB1! It can be controlled! :D

What Gamespot complains about is that the game isn't very hard (except for the last part), and they can't figure out why all of the people in the base are being killed if it's so easy to wipe out the demons... maybe it's on the hardest difficulty setting for everyone else? :)

OB1
Heh, that's true.

Undertow
None of you guys are going to buy Doom 3? What's wrong with you people?! Have you all gone mad?!

If I could meet the bare min, I would buy it for the PC. But I'm going to have to get it one the XBOX instead. =D

<3 <3 <3

Great Rumbler
Yeah, the other troops didn't last too long.

Another thing they complained about was that your guy doesn't have night-vision goggles in a place with very poor lighting, but I suppose the explanation for that is that the place is a dump and they don't have money for night-vision goggles...or training course for soldiers on how to use a flashlight and gun at the same time...

A Black Falcon
GR, it's a stupid gameplay trick to get you to use the flashlight with no gun. There is no sane explanation for why no guns have lights on them or why no flashlight can be attcached to the guns (duct tape, they suggested? :))... oh well, it's kind of a dumb complaint because realism isn't exactly a priority here, but I can see why in a game as dark as that it'd be very useful...

Dark Jaguar
They should have allowed it to be used, but the one working flashlight is like, I dunno, glitchy. It occasionally gets low on juice or fizzles out (at preprogrammed moments :D)... I think that would work very well in both explaining it and enhancing the mood. I know I wouldn't like to be walking along, then suddenly the flashlight gets dim or goes out completely, and then some horrible creature with a million arms and teeth on each finger, which is also the size of an arm, and has a rocket launcher in it's stomach, and also it has mind powers... oh, and wouldn't it be cool if it could breathe fire, oh and spit acid!

Great Rumbler
They should have allowed it to be used, but the one working flashlight is like, I dunno, glitchy. It occasionally gets low on juice or fizzles out (at preprogrammed moments )... I think that would work very well in both explaining it and enhancing the mood. I know I wouldn't like to be walking along, then suddenly the flashlight gets dim or goes out completely, and then some horrible creature with a million arms and teeth on each finger, which is also the size of an arm, and has a rocket launcher in it's stomach, and also it has mind powers... oh, and wouldn't it be cool if it could breathe fire, oh and spit acid!

They've definitely got the wrong people working at id.

Dark Jaguar
Right! ..... Hey are you being sarcastic?

GR: Naaaaaahhh.

DJ: Okay then.

Great Rumbler
But that monster needs though is chainsaws for fingers and bulldozer legs. And he knees are now chainguns and he shoots plasma bursts out of his eyes.

UltraMarioMan
*Waits for Half-Life 2 to come out and show everyone how FPS' should be done*

OB1
I've been playing more of Doom 3 (when it works) and it's pretty fun. Not a 9.5 like every gaming mag is overrating it, but I suppose when you have not much more than FPS' on the PC you take what you can get. The cheap thrills are getting annoying though.

A Black Falcon
Not much more than FPSes? But I have over 200 PC games and about 10 are FPSes... huh, I didn't know that the rest of my games are actually the minority... :S

OB1
List out all of the big games that came out this year. Most of them are FPS's.

Great Rumbler
Farcry, Unreal Tournament 2004, Doom 3, Half-Life 2 [soon to be released], Painkiller, Theif Deadly Shadows, and I'm sure there are more but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

A Black Falcon
But there are SO MANY PC games released... there have been a lot of games released in each genre. FPSes are just really popular so they (and strategy games) get the most publicity for PC. But for big upcoming titles that might make this year, how about Rome: Total War, Kohan II, World of Warcraft, EverQuest 2, Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War, The Sims 2, Guild Wars, Lineage II, Ground Control II, Beyond Divinity... I think you get my point...

OB1
Right, but look at the top ten lists. Mostly FPS's throughout the year. Aside from The Sims.

A Black Falcon
No, strategy games do just as well... and casual/budget mass-market games, of course.

OB1
Most of the top ten games are FPS's.

A Black Falcon
Most of the top 10 are The Sims, it often seems...

OB1
Well aside from that. That's just weird.

A Black Falcon
No, it's not. 'Casual' gamers are big force in PC gaming and they buy The Sims and Zoo Tycoon, not Painkiller...

OB1
Well nobody cares about them.

A Black Falcon
Retailers and game developers do...

OB1
Do you?

A Black Falcon
I care inasmuch as it's interesting to see what people buy and that I have to recognize that if a lot of people buy a game there has to be SOME kind of appeal. Oh, casual gamers often buy things that aren't that great... but some of those you can see why they have appeal. Not violent, not as challenging in many ways... Doom doesn't exactly appeal to everyone while Rollercoaster Tycoon does. Deer Hunter of course was just an abysmal game that was the only one of its kind and hit a market no one new existed.

Great Rumbler
Still, the fact is that a lot of good FPSs have been released in the past year.

A Black Falcon
That is certainly true. And they are one of the PCs most popular genes. But the point is that they aren't the only one, not even close.

OB1
There are the most popular among harcore PC gamers. If you look at the monthly sales charts there's always a bunch of FPS's and the obvious casual title like the sims.

A Black Falcon
And some strategy games, OB1, and some strategy games...

For instance, here are two lists from weeks in July..

week ending July 10
http://pc.ign.com/articles/532/532687p1.html

week ending July 3
http://pc.ign.com/articles/530/530063p1.html

OB1
Once in a while, but it's almost always shooters at the top.

Great Rumbler
In each one of those charts 4 of the 10 games are FPSs.

A Black Falcon
The first has four FPSes, three RTSes, two 'casual' games (Sims and MS Flight Simulator), and a MMORPG. The second has four FPSes, two RTSes, three 'casual' games (those two and Harry Potter), and the MMORPG. Supports my opinion, I'd think.

February 2003. Top 20.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/390/390054p1.html

Four RTSes, three Sims, four FPSes, MMORPG, racing, TBS, third-person action, three more 'casual' strategy games, harry potter, spongebob...

OB1
Yeah you're picking out one or two odd months. Look at the annual sales charts.

A Black Falcon
No, I just picked a random month. And that seems like just about what I see in PC sales charts. Some FPSes, some RTSes, some other miscelaneous games, and a bunch of stuff for casual users. Quite typical.

OB1
Dude, just look at the stupid annual sales charts and you'll see what I mean.

A Black Falcon
Then post some! :) But I've been looking at PC game charts for a long time and am certain that I am right.

OB1
You post them!

A Black Falcon
I've posted links to three or four lists, all of which look exactly like most PC game lists I've ever seen. You overestimate how many FPSes show up on these lists, OB1. I've been reading PC game sales charts for many years and know what they typically look like.

January 10th-16th, 1999. http://pc.ign.com/articles/066/066660p1.html

1 Starcraft: Brood Wars Havas
2 Baldur's Gate Interplay
3 Deer Hunter II: 3D GT Interactive
4 Half-Life Havas
5 Cabela's Big Game Hunter Activision
6 Flight Simulator Microsoft
7 Myth II Bungie
8 Wheel of Fortune Hasbro
9 Deer Avenger Havas
10 Combat Flight Simulator Microsoft

The only true FPS is Half-Life. Though I guess Deer Hunter is one too... :)

Best selling games of 1998. http://pc.ign.com/articles/066/066602p1.html

Rank Title Publisher Average Price
1 Starcraft Havas $42
2 Deer Hunter GT Interactive $18
3 Myst The Learning Company $18
4 Flight Simulator Microsoft $44
5 Deer Hunter II GT Interactive $18
6 Titanic: Adventure Out of Time Havas $24
7 Lego Island The Learning Company $25
8 Frogger Hasbro $31
9 Diablo Havas $27
10 Age of Empires Microsoft $37
11 Riven The Learning Company $39
12 Cabela's Big Game Hunter Activision $19
13 Monopoly Hasbro $23
14 Unreal GT Interactive $38
15 Barbie Riding Club Mattel $31
16 Quake II Activision $45
17 Scrabble Hasbro $28
18 Return of Arcade Microsoft $27
19 Rocky Mountain Trophy Hunter GT Interactive $19
20 Barbie Nail Designer Mattel $17

December 2002. http://pc.ign.com/articles/383/383478p1.html

1) The Sims Deluxe (Electronic Arts)

2) The Sims: Unleashed (Electronic Arts)

3) Harry Potter & The Chamber Of Secrets (Electronic Arts)

4) Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 (Infogrames)

5) Zoo Tycoon (Microsoft)

6) Backyard Hockey (Infogrames)

7) Age Of Mythology (Microsoft)

8) The Sims: Vacation (Electronic Arts)

9) Zoo Tycoon: Marine Mania (Microsoft)

10) Warcraft III: Reign Of Chaos (Vivendi)

11) Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault Spearhead (Electronic Arts)

12) The Sims: Hot Date (Electronic Arts)

13) Backyard Football 2002 (Infogrames)

14) Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault (Electronic Arts)

15) Dark Age Of Camelot: Shrouded Isles (Vivendi)

16) Backyard Baseball 2003 (Infogrames)

17) The Sims Online (Electronic Arts)

18) Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone (Electronic Arts)

19) Backyard Basketball (Infogrames)

20) The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring (Vivendi)

As all of the lists I have posted have proven, it's often about half and half hardcore and casual games. Often more casual than hardcore, really, but sometimes it's the other way around. Casual games are a mix of strategy titles, MS Flight Simulator titles, bad games (like Deer Hunter...), liscenced junk, etc... while hardcore titles are mostly strategy games (heavy on RTSes) and FPS games. As well as a few others, like some MMORPGs. :)

Anyway, I've proven my point. I don't know what ratio of titles you expected, but I've been reading these lists long enough to know what kind of mix goes into top lists of PC games better than you.

OB1
Those aren't annual charts, dork.

A Black Falcon
Look at my edited post, OB1. 1998 annual list. :) And December 2002.

OB1
That was 1998. 2004 is not 1998.

Hey look, the number of replies in this thread is almost the same as the number of views. Amazing.

A Black Falcon
2004 isn't 1998, but PC game buying habits haven't changed very much. Console habits haven't, so why should PC?

OB1
That's a very ridiculous claim. Just look up the 2003 chart.

Dark Jaguar
Okay, just thought I'd add this. The ATI 4.9 drivers, full version, are now out. They claim to do a much better job of handling Doom 3. Anyway, having used them, I can say they fixed all the glitches in the beta, and more to the point, there are no longer any transitions between various modes (such as playing a DVD to normal, where before the screen would black out for a second, now it's smooth). Anyway, just thought I'd mention it.

Oh yes, there is a Doom 3 demo now (it was inevitable). I'm downloading it myself to see how it runs on my machine, and also how it plays period.

Dark Jaguar
Okay, got it, played it for a bit, and now have an opinion.

First off, my computer can almost handle it perfectly at top quality with resolution of 1024x768. I say "almost" because the game has finally pushed my system just beyond what it's capable of. Either A, my video card needs more RAM, or B, that's not the issue, the issue is my mother board doesn't transfer data between my system ram to the video card fast enough. I KNOW I have enough system ram (a gig should do it even for this game), it's gotta be one of those two things. I have 256MB of video card ram, so next time I get a card, a few years from now, I'll aim for either 512 or a gig. Anyway, the main issue is whenever some new model is being loaded for the first time (excluding the stuff automatically loaded into ram when the level loads up), the game freezes for a couple seconds until it's done. After that, no issues though.

So, having seen this game at full capacity... well, I am not THAT impressed. It looks good but, eh, it's not jaw dropping or anything... Yes, it's got a lot of texture levels on every model, yes there's a lot of detail, and yes those various effects do look nice but, well... I guess I expected more... I think it might be the art style. It's so... typical of American games. And, the sad thing is American game developers, by and large, are FINALLY growing out of this whole style themselves. Everything just seems so... bland. Detailed, but bland. I think it's a lovely engine, but I would like to see it used on some actual decent environments. Load up something based on the Mana game's art style and let me run around there... killing demons with shotguns.

Anyway, the game does have a nice creepyness to it, decent anyway. The idea that putting away the flashlight leaves me with a menacing sillouette heading towards me is nice. I will say this. It's actually SCARY as opposed to the first two Doom games. I'm not even talking about how the art style is laughable to any adult, I'm talking about how it's pure action with not a single bit of scariness in it, at all. It's like a fight scene in a movie. That part itself is never scary, it's the part where the guy is behind the other guy and you catch a glint of the knife. Of course, that example is cheesy, but at least it's standard scary. That about describes the spookiness of this game, cheesy, but decent. They did seem to add a lot of interactivity with the various files. The story, for what it is, also seems to be told well enough. Too bad it's Doom here. I mean, the idea of opening a portal into the demon world is a concept that COULD work, even if it's scientists who do it. That in and of itself could still make a good story. However, when every single demon is a bloodthirsty braindead creature out to kill all humans, every single chance for the story to be good, at all, has just flown out the window forever.

Sooo, I guess I'll get back to the demo later and go beyond the room where I decided to see if going into a bunch of gears in the floor would be deadly or not. I'm only like halfway through the second level of the demo (maybe halfway, not really sure). The demo has 3 levels total, so not much left. If I'm not wowed, this demo is going bye-bye when I'm done with it, and I'll be left not wanting to buy this game at all. Also, there's no multiplayer demo.

OB1
Yes, the engine is very nice but the game doesn't look all that great, thanks to the terrible art. And the lighting, which is supposed to be the most impressive aspect of the engine, is barely shown off in the game as everything is just pitch black.

Dark Jaguar
And now I've completed the demo. It played pretty much the same in the 3rd level as in the first. I suspect meeting up with my teammates in the real game will be put off for about 5 levels, and at the very moment I meet the only one who survived, that guy will die some horrible death (or be possessed) and I'll be going it alone into the underworld.

Anyway, it's certainly a major step up from the original (not saying much). But, well... honestly, this demo has not convinced me to buy the game. It's just not worth the cash. If someone tells me the rest of the game is far far superior to the first 3 levels, then maybe. Also, if someone tells me the multiplayer is "awesome", then maybe. But, as of now, that demo is being deleted.