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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #1 |
A thread ruined by ABF Vol. XXXVIII (So who's getting a PSP this month?)
Wipeout Pure looks awesome, but other than that I don't care much about the launch lineup...
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #2 |
Yeah well you also didn't care enough about RE4 to get it.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #3 |
And that matters how? I'm not the biggest RE fan in the world, you know (they're fine games, sure, but I don't run out to get them... just have RE2 for N64, and I only got that because it was $10...), while I definitely like the WIpeout series.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #4 |
I'm just saying that you not having interest in a game doesn't mean much to anyone but you, since you have, well... different tastes.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #5 |
What, exactly, did my saying "Wipeout Pure looks cool" do to deserve "well you're an idiot who likes stupid games" (you know that's what you meant, you've stated it as such multiple times before)? Other than your well-known desperate need to insult me every time i post, that is.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #6 | |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #7 |
Metal Gear Acid, you mean? Could be fine, but a Metal Gear tactical strategy game seems a bit weird...
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #8 | |
So did a turn-based Mario rpg.
And what about Lumines? It's a terrific puzzle game, possibly the best game on the system. Quote:
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #9 |
True.
But I'm sure that the standard for sci-fi tactical strategy games will continue to be the same game it's been for over a decade now: X-Com: UFO Assualt.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #10 |
Yeah MGA is just like that... |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #11 |
They're both sci-fi tactical strategy games, anyway. It's not MG:A's fault if it can't compete with one of the greatest strategy games of all time. (yes, I know you meant something else... but they ARE both tactical strategy...)
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #12 |
Yeah, X-Com is totally a card-based console strategy game...
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #13 |
Console or PC Is irrelevant for genres... it's game style that matters. And yes, they are different. But in both you move people around a map, with a tile-based overhead perspective, in order to find, shoot, and kill the baddies. Using strategic controls, not action controls.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #14 |
What the hell are you talking about?
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #15 |
If it's so different from other tactical strategy games, explain how so.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #16 |
WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT XCOM IN A PSP THREAD???
You are so damn weird. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #17 |
MGS is a tactical strategy game. Hmm... I have NO IDEA why I should talk about other tactical strategy games!
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #18 |
You said that MGA is just going to be the same as XCom... do you know anything about the game?
It was so nice here when you were gone... |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #19 | |
What did I say about comprehension? One of these years you'll admit it...
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Means what it says. "Tactical strategy" is a broad subgenre. It's not one specific way of doing things. So two games can be comparable while also being distinct while being within the same subgenre. Just like every other subgenre. It's not very hard to understand.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #20 |
Which has NOTHING to do with this thread.
I'm really thinking about blocking your posts for a long while... I can't stand idiots. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #21 |
How, exactly, does discussing a game that is coming out on PSP have nothing to do with the PSP? I'd love to hear your explanation of THAT one...
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #22 |
You weren't talking about a PSP game, you were talking about a PC game in a completely different genre.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #23 |
No, it's in the same genre. Otherwise why would I have talked about it in relation to MGA?
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #24 |
I dunno, because you're nuts, maybe? Yeah I think that's pretty much it.
I never knew that X-Com was a card-based strategy/adventure game though. That's pretty interesting. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #25 |
So Baten Kaitos isn't an RPG because it uses cards? Or Lost Kingdoms an action/RPG? Thanks, I never knew that... Cards in games like these are just the medium to make the game a bit different from its genre-mates, not something that puts it into a totally different genre.
Honestly, can't you see how ridiculous this "complaint" of yours is? Have you even PLAYED X-Com?
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #26 |
Have YOU played Metal Gear Acid? Do you even KNOW how it plays? It's a card-based strategy game that it also a Japanese graphic adventure game. If you think that's in the same genre as X-Com then you're, well, ABF.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #27 |
Have you played X-Com? Just answer the question!
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #28 |
No. But I know what kind of game it is. I know that's it's very popular.
And I know that it's not card-based or a graphic adventure game. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #29 |
What do you keep telling others not to do, OB1? Oh yeah, that's judge games without playing them.
http://psp.ign.com/articles/583/583313p1.html Metal Gear Acid does have cards, and a story (I very highly doubt that it's a graphic adventure. That means Monkey Island or TLJ. What the game does have is a story, told through animated cutscenes.). But what it is primarially, as this preview makes clear, is a TACTICAL STRATEGY GAME. That is, a small-unit (in this case a unit of one) strategy game where you carefully plan every move, using some interface. Where you have indirect, not direct, control of your characters. Yes, the fact that this game uses cards as a way of randomizing what actions you can make and when you can make them, and limiting total actions, is different from other titles in the genre. So it's not quite the typical tactical strategy game, or even the typical console-style tactical strategy game (think Fire Emblem (though that's also not your typical console tactical strategy game), Final Fantasy Tactics, Shining Force, Disagaea, etc), but it IS in that subgenre. No question.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #30 | |
When did i judge the game? I just said that it's not like MGA.
And you know nothing about MGA. Tim Rogers, the guy from insertcredit (who lives in Japan and is the biggest Metal Gear fan that I know of), told me this about the game: Quote:
So sorry, but you're wrong yet again. And "graphic adventure" does not just mean Monkey Island or TLJ. They make them in other countries, too, you philistine. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #31 | |||
So who's getting a PSP this month?
You go too far. Your hot-headedness has again gotten ahead of your initial good sense, OB1! Take a deep breath or something and think... otherwise this discussion is essentially over.
Here is what an actual hands-on preview of the US version has to say about the gameplay. http://psp.ign.com/articles/583/583313p1.html?fromint=1 Quote:
And the story. Quote:
So where does this comment fit in? Quote:
I'd say that it fits in as a description of the kind of story you would find in this game... or the kind of story-telling. I very much doubt that MGA actually PLAYS like a graphic adventure, given how it is described to play as a unique brand of tactical strategy game. But it's certainly plausible, given the MGS games, that the game presents its story in the way a graphic adventure might... that's definitely what I'd take that statement to mean. Not 'graphic adventure' in the sense that it is a graphic adventure game. On that topic, sorry, but there IS a definite definition of the graphic adventure. It's not a nation-specific one, either... sure, Monkey Island is American, but TLJ is from a team in Finland. Japan? I know they make interactive stories, but they never release them here... but that's the same thing (one Japanese graphic adventure that DID come out over here would be Snatcher, by the way. Or how about Another on the DS?). You go through a story (most often told with dialogue,sometimes by other means), making choices and solving puzzles (of the logic (ex: a sliding tile puzzle) and/or inventory (ex: "find the wrench in the kitchen, add it to your inventory, and use it on the bolt in the attic loft") varieties) along the way. There usually isn't any action and if there is it's almost always minimal or can be avoided.
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #32 |
The funny about this is that Tim Rogers knows a little bit more about Metal Gear Acid, Japanese graphic adventure games, and well, games in general than you do. And I say "little" dripping with sarcasm. He says that it's a graphic adventure with a card-based twist (note that card-based games are strategy ones). He's right, you are wrong.
Sorry. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #33 |
Have you ever even read any posts of mine or do you just write your little attacks beforehand and post them without any knowledge, or intrest, in what has acutally been said?
Given how your latest post once again demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of what I've been saying, it's clearly the latter. If it wasn't so obvious that you beleieve everything you say I'd think it's funny how badly you contradict yourself... |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #34 |
You posted descriptions of the game. I know very well what kind of game it is.
But Tim Rogers, who's a big fan of Japanese graphic adventure games (which can be very different from MI and even Snatcher, which is why your ignorant statement that "there's only ONE kind of graphic adventure is so laughable), has met Hideo Kojima on a number of occasions, and is in love with the Metal Gear series, says that Ac!d is "a Japanese graphic adventure game, with a card- collecting flavor", and he knows a hell of a lot more about this subject than you, me, and all of IGN's staff put together. So pardon me if I don't put much stock into an ignorant fanboy's opinion on a game that he has never played that largely falls into a genre that he has never played. I'm talking about you, btw. In case you didn't get that. |
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Wed, March 9th, 2005 | #35 | ||
Have you noticed yet that I haven't said he's wrong? No? Didn't think so... sigh...
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I have played far more adventure games than you, of that I'm pretty sure. It isn't exactly a genre I don't know well. Sure, I haven't played Japanese-only interactive stories. Neither have you, I'm sure. But given how such games go in English, it's not hard to guess the general way such things would work... and a connection between Kojima and those makes sense because the MGS games are very heavy on the story and conversations... like an adventure game or an RPG (the two genres that are the most conversation-heavy, excepting the Myst-branch of graphic adventures of course), not an action game. Having that continue -- with changes, like the animated, somewhat cartoonish, cutscenes -- in this game makes perfect sense. Quote:
There is one subgenre (of the 'adventure' genre). It has many divisions: Graphical/text ones like King's Quest I or Hugo's House of Horrors, all-graphical ones like Maniac Mansion or Grim Fandango, ones with action elements like Full Throttle and Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, logic puzzle-focused titles such as Myst and Riven, all menu-driven games like Snatcher... there are many subgenres with many differences (like how the Myst-style ones don't have much conversations, have no inventories, and usually tell their stories mostly through cutscenes and reading books in the game for backstory -- VERY different gameplay from Monkey Island, that's for sure!). But they all share common themes.
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Thu, March 10th, 2005 | #36 |
Nuts, lazy's posts aren't in here! From the title of the thread, it seems ABF moved it. Where'd you put lazy's posts ABF?
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Thu, March 10th, 2005 | #37 |
OB1 split it, of course, after ruining the thread. Ask him.
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Thu, March 10th, 2005 | #38 |
I only split the posts that ABF ruined, into this forum. If lazy posted in this thread they should be in MC.
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Thu, March 10th, 2005 | #39 | |
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I love how you can say all of this in a way that makes it sound like you think you're right, even though you're proving my point that MGA is NOT XCom. What a fool. |
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Fri, March 11th, 2005 | #40 |
Huh? I stopped talking about X-Com because explaining what I mean would take a while and you'd ignore me, so why in the world should I waste the effort?
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